There are limits to what our words can do, limits to argumentation and debate, especially on the net. With people like Bubleeshaark and Varon, we need to give them space and give them time. I suspect they’re both pretty young. I was a fiery fundamentalist as a young man, and at times it seemed like the more outrageous a belief was the more I liked it. I’m sure there are people who would say it’s still true!