you in your conflict will do eventually. During the days of the Carter Administration USDA engaged me to train 2,000 officials in the use of the holistic framework. Training included officials from all major agencies (SCS, FS, BLM, BIA) as well as faculty from land grant colleges (TX, NM and AZ) as well as national and state parks services including Texas. Participants brought many policy examples so they could train on their own policies. Although a great many policies from all over the US were studied – wildlife, forestry, drought, flood, noxious plants, range management mainly – participants concluded not a single policy would succeed and most would have unintended consequences causing increased damage. One group in this training made the recorded unanimous statement “We now recognize that unsound resource management is universal in the US”. This is published (p 547) in the textbook “Holistic Management: A New Decision Making Framework” 1999 Island Press.