The game that appears to be played is that defenders of a historical Jesus will attack claims made by Mythicists. However, arguing against Islam, for instance, doesn't make Christianity true. The problem with the Mythicist position is that it makes positive assertions, which can be attacked due to the burden of proof requirement. Jesus agnosticism, on the other hand, need only question the validity of the evidence presented by historical Jesus defenders. It seems to me that all one has to do is ask for a single piece of credible, historically valid evidence from historical Jesus defenders. If all they can do is cite sources that they acknowledge are unreliable or hypothetical, their arguments are easily debunked. All they can then do is assert claims about the 'consensus', or other logical fallacies that don't actually prove their position. They only prove what people believe. The question I ask is whether I have any good reason to believe in a historical Jesus, or how probable such a claim is. I have lots of evidence for liars, for humans inventing tales about gods and demigods, and believers making false assumptions. I simply have no good reason to trust these ancient manuscript written by anonymous Christian scribes in an attempt to propagate their faith, particularly when they contain proven fiction, forgery and fraud.