Robert, thank you for responding promptly to my challenge, but it’s not much use if you then in your hurry ignore what I asked you to do. 😟 I asked you to explain the supposed distinction of kind between raven and dove, in contrast to the supposed single kind of marsupials, and the other supposed single kind of dogs, bears and seals, “WITHOUT RECOURSE TO THE BIBLE”. (I’ve added the capitals this time just to help this phrase draw your attention, since you missed it before. It’s in the final sentence of my last post, just after “So here’s the challenge, explain….”) So there’s no point in referring me to Genesis, and the separate specific reference to a raven and a dove in the story of the Ark. That, as we must all know perfectly well, is the ONLY reason why any person could ever have attempted to class them as different “kinds”, while simultaneously classing dogs and bears and seals, which the writer of the Ark narrative didn’t happen to mention specifically, as one and the same “kind”. As for the marsupials, of course, they are mentioned absolutely nowhere in the Bible, for the very good reason that none of the writers had the remotest conception of their existence, or that of the continents of South America and Australasia, where the creatures resided then as now. How COULD those people have, living in that place and at that time, unless this biological and geographical information had been miraculously imparted to them? Which, clearly, it wasn’t. We 21st century folk are better informed than them biologically and geographically, thanks to two to three thousand years’ worth of non miraculous human discoveries. Sadly, these discoveries, for YECs utterly committed to a literalist religious doctrine, can be nothing more than a stumbling block and a spur to wilder and wilder inventions and suppositions, nowhere stated or imagined by the Bible writers, in the doomed attempt to square the circle and reconcile the Bible passages with each other and with modern knowledge.