“I was fortunate and I still have a very good partner, David Donald, who was also my brother-in-law. Families don’t get along in business, they fight and scrap. Well, we did get along and there’s a lot of strength in being able to say to your partner, what do you think? Dave counted all the rocks, he was an industrial engineer and his forte was efficiency. Mine was talking, running around and seeing things,” he said.