SOLDIERS' CIVIL RE-ESTABLISHMENT.


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On the Orders of the Day:
Rt. Hon. Sir ROBERT BORDEN (Prime Minister):: I beg to lay upon the table of the House copy of a letter from Colonel F. McKelvey Bell to myself dated June 6, 1919; copy of a letter from the same gentleman to Sir James Lougheed, Minister of Soldiers' Civil Re-Establishment, dated June 5; copy of a letter from Sir James Lougheed to myself dated June 17, all with respect to the resignation of Colonel McKelvey. Bell and to the incidents which led up to that resignation.



MILITARY SERVICE BRANCH.

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LETTER FROM MR. JUSTICE DUFF CONGE RNINtl MR. S. L. DALE HARRIS.
On the Orders of the Day:
Robert Laird Borden: I lay upon the Table a copy of a letter dated the 6th of June from the Hon. Mr. Justice Duff in which he calls attention to a passage in the report of the Director of the Military Service Branch, Department of Justice, referring to and reflecting on the work of Mr. S. L. Dale Harris, one of the officers attached to the Central Appeal office. The purport of Mr. Justice Duff's communication is to convey to me and to have made public his warm appreciation of the work which Mr. Harris performed as Central Public Representative in connection with the Military Service Act.



NEW FREIGHT RATES ON AGRICULTURAL IMPLEMENTS.

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On the Orders of the Day:
Mr. E. LAPOINTE (Kamouraska):: I desire to ask a question with regard to the reduction of freight rates on agricultural implements to the western provinces. The manager of a plant in my constituency who applied for the new rates received the following telegram from the Traffic Manager of the Canadian National Railways:
Monireal, Que., June 17th, 1919. La Compagnie Desjardines, Lte.,
St. Andre de Kara, Que.
Your v.rire date. New rates on agricultural implements as referred to in your telegram

will not become effective earlier than September first.
S. G. Tiffin.
As the farming implements, if they are to be any value to the farmers this year or to the manufacturers who sell them, will have to be bought and sold before the 1st of September, I desire to know whether the agreement between the Government and the railway companies is as indicated by this telegram.


Sir THOMAS WHITE (Minister of Finance) :: I suggest that the hon. member bring the matter up when the Bill embodying the tariff changes is before the Committee of the House. I was not quite able to follow him in the question that he put; I think, however, that a reply would have to cover a good deal of ground.



THE VACANT POSITION OF COMMISSIONER OF CUSTOMS.

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On the Orders of the Day:
Hon. RODOLPHE LEMIEUX (Maison-neuve):: I hope I shall not be indiscreet if I ask the Prime Minister whether, on account of the death of the late Commissioner of Customs, Mr. McDougald, it is the intention of the Government, in the appointment of a successor, to recognize the prinoiple of promotion?


Robert Laird Borden: I have no doubt there will be promotion within the service, but I have not been able to give careful consideration to the selection.



THE WINNIPEG 'STRIKE.

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On the Orders of the Day:
Mr. D. D. McKENZIE (Cape Breton North):: I notice in the press this morning that the Government have separated themselves from any further efforts towards conciliation and settlement in Winnipeg. Is that a fact? Have all negotiations been cut off .as between the Department of Labour, for instance, and the leaders of the strike at Winnipeg?


Robert Laird Borden: I have not observed the report to which my hon. friend has called my attention. So far as I am aware, nothing of the kind has been determined.



CIVIL SERVICE RECLASSIFICATION.

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On the Orders of the Day:
Hon. JACQUES BUREAU (Three Rivers and St. Maurice):: May I ask the Acting Minister of Trade and Commerce (Mr. A. K.
Maclean) if there is any report accompanying the volume which he has laid upon the table of the House and which is supposed to contain the classification of the various positions in the Civil Service, or if that report is the only thing which will be handed to the members to enable them to form an opinion upon the changes which are being made?


Hon. A. K. MACLEAN:: The report of the classification already laid upon the table of the House comprises substantially all the information that will be given to hon. members. There is, however, a report from the so-called efficiency experts to the Civil Service Commission.


Some hon. MEMBERS:: Hear, hear.


Sir SAM HUGHES:: " So-called " is the proper word to use.


Some hon. MEMBERS:: Hear, hear.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: I did not mean to reflect upon the experts by so designating them, as I have a very high appreciation of their work. There is a report from the experts to the Civil Service Commission, which report deals with the general principles involved in their method of classification, and which, I think, will be submitted to the House in a few days by the Civil Service Commission. I might say that I hope, to-morrow some time, to lay upon the table of the House copies of the classification in. French. I also hope, tomorrow some time, if I have an opportunity, to move the second reading of the Civil Service Bill, and if not, then the following day. At present it is my intention to ask the House to appoint a special committee to whom this Bill will be referred. I mention that so that hon. members may have an opportunity of considering the Bill in the meanwhile.


Jacques Bureau: Will that report to the commission be laid upon the table of the House and copies printed for the use of members? I do not want to pass any remarks or to give my reasons now, because this is not the time; but I do say that no intelligent man can understand all of the 700 page volume which has been deposited upon the Table. It is a catalogue with the most curious and unintelligible classifications for .certain positions that I have ever seen.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: I cannot promise my hon. friend that that report will be laid upon the table of the House before the second reading of the Bill is moved.

I think my hon. friend is- in error in supposing that there is something very strange and unfathomable about this classification. It is a very simple matter.


Jacques Bureau: It is too simple as it stands.	.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: It does not pretend to set up a single new position in the public service of the country. I hope my hon. friend will change his mind, because I trust to get the Bill and the classification through Parliament in a few hours, as there is no reason why it should be delayed at any length.


Samuel Hughes: As regards selecting a committee to consider this Bill-I do not know if this is the proper time to put the question or not-is it the minister's intention to hand-pick the committee, or is he going to pick the committee from hon. gentlemen interested on both sides?


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: Some one will have to pick the committee and I should be glad to have the assistance of my hon. friend in regard to the matter.


Samuel Hughes: The minister will not
get me.	[DOT]	; !	1 j :	j


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: I shall do the best I can to select a representative committee.	i	1, . ' | ! *
Sir SAM (HUGHES: I would like some good fighting men on it.



CANADA SHIPPING ACT AMENDMENT.

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On motion of Hon. Mr. Ballantyne (Minister of Marine), Bill No. 148, to amend the Canada Shipping Act (transfers and mortgages of ships) was read a second time, and the House went into committee thereon, Mr. Boivin in the Chair.
On section 1-transfers, mortgages, or transfers of mortgages of ships to be subject to approval:
Rodolphe Lemieux: Is .there anything new
in the law, or is the old law being re-enacted?


Mr. BALLANTYNE:: When the resolution was before the committee, I explained that the object of this Bill is simply to put into effect two Orders in Council, one passed on March 9, 1915, and the other on October 9, 1917. These Orders in Council, when the Peace Treaty is signed, would, so I am informed, become invalid, and the object of this Bill is to have similar legislation to that passed by the Imperial Gov-

ernment in 1915, entitled The British iShips Transfer Restriction Act, which is valid for three years after the declaration of peace. That same clause is in the Bill now before the committee. It is necessary to have such a law in order that, if any owner of a ship wished to have a transfer of registry or a transfer of mortgage, he would have to apply to the Minister of Marine to get it.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Can the minister give a concrete case?


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: In the case of a
ship built in Montreal, from which city the hon. member and I come, if the owner wished to have American or French registry, in the past he would merely have to go to the registrar of the court of Montreal to obtain it. Now he will have to apply to the Minister of Marine.


Mr. PARDEE:: Is this absolutely necessary? In our part of the country, where vessel transfers are quite frequently made, every bill of sale or mortgage has to be drawn there, sent to Ottawa, submitted to the department and receive approval before we can do business at all. Is not that a policy of centralization? You have your collector of customs, who is the registrar of shipping in the port of Sarnia. Why can he not receive instructions so that we may, as in the old days, take a bill of sale or mortgage to him, or have a transfer approved by him and entered in the registry of shipping and kept in that port? I think that shipping registrars in the different ports could be instructed to carry out the regulations just as the department would here. It would save time and considerable expense, not to mention a great deal of correspondence. One of the rules of the department is that no mortgage may be drawn except upon the specific form furnished under the Shipping Act, and with extended periods of payment for the mortgage it is an absolute impossibility to put the terms of repayment in the form furnished. It has to be changed and typewritten forms must be used, and at the present time the department absolutely refuses to accept any form except that furnished. I cannot understand the reason for this. The matter might be simplified if the registrar of shipping in the port were allowed to carry on the work.


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: The Orders in
Council passed on the 9th of March, 1915, and the 9th of October, 1917, respectively, under the War Measures Act of 1914, were

absolutely necessary in order that Canada might conserve and control her own shipping. England in her wisdom-and she is a good example in the matter of shipping and shipping laws-saw fit to pass what is known as the Transfer Restriction Act. It was passed in 1915, to be operative for three years after the war, in order that Great Britain may be assured that none of her shipping would get into foreign hands. That Act enables her to conserve her own tonnage. Canada is simply seeking to do what the United Kingdom has done, and it would be very unfortunate for this country, with so much ship construction in progress now, if we did not pass this law. There is a remarkable shortage of shipping. Canada not being able to export one-quarter of the freight offering, and if we allow these Orders in Council to lapse and do not pass this Bill it will simply mean that we shall have no control whatever over our shipping. A man could go to a registrar and ask for the registry of any country he liked, and it would be given without question. Under the provisions of the Bill a foreign company applying for the registry or transfer of a ship will have to come to Ottawa and make application to the minister, so that we can investigate the bona fides of the applicant and decide as to the advisability of giving the transfer. We cannot have these rights granted through the registrar of the port, and if this Bill does not pass we shall revert to the position in which we were before the war, and transfers of ships will be made just the same as transfers of land.


Frederick Forsyth Pardee: The registrar is an officer of the department. Can he not be given instructions?
'Mr. BAIiLANTYNE: My department will have no instructions to give him unless this Bill is passed.


Mr. DUFF:: I have no doubt the minister is right in regard to some of the ships about which he speaks, notably steel ships. But if this' Bill goes through without amendments or a satisfactory guarantee a great many of the wooden shipyards in the country will have to close up business. The minister says this Act is in accordance with a similar law passed in the United Kingdom. Conditions in Canada are quite different from those that obtain in Great Britain, where there is enough business for themselves to keep their yards busy all the time. Most of the wooden ships being built in Canada are for sale and not intended for use in Canadian trade. In fact, for a number of years past the majority of wooden
ships built in the provinces have haid to go outside of Canada to obtain business. The minister is optimistic in the matter of what ships can do in Canadian trade. Well, I am not so optimistic and from my experience I know that we cannot expect sufficient business for a great many of our wooden ships. I would remind the minister that even his own marine had to go outside of Canada for business, and, indeed, was able to secure better trade outside. The provisions of this Bill will work a hardship on the shipowners in Canada, especially in the Maritime Provinces. A great many vessels are sold in foreign ports. A ship may go to Brazil or France, and an offer may be made the captain, who then telegraphs his owners. Sometimes such offers are made in the British West Indies, and if a sale is to be hoped for the owners must be in a position to telegraph immedi-, ately whether the offer can be accepted. If an owner is under the necessity of communicating first with Ottawa-and large bodies move very slowly, this being certainly" the case sometimes in the Marine Department, which takes a great deal of time to consider these matters-there will be no sale. We should encourage the selling of vessels outside of Canada if we expect to keep our shipyards busy. A great many men in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick when the war broke out and when Mr. Lloyd George made an appeal for ships, invested money in new shipyards, although some of them were already interested in old concerns. So far we have not received any returns on our capital, and if this Bill is made law and we are to be handicapped with unnecessary delays our business will be seriously prejudiced, for we shall certainly find it, to say the least, extremely difficult to effect sales with the United States or France if we have to apply to the Minister of Marine for permission to sell. In the past few years we have had some business with foreigners, although I should not use the word "foreigners" in connection with our Allies, France and the United States. Gentlemen from those two countries would give certain specifications for ships they required and prices would be fixed before even the keel was laid. Now, how can we shipbuilders in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick under this Act enter into a contract with French or American capitalists when we do not know whether the minister will allow us to transfer a ship after she is built? I would urge on the minister my apprehension that if this Bill goes through without the guarantees, the

shipbuilders of the Maritime Provinces will be driven out of business.


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: I may say to the hon. member for Lunenburg (Mr. Buff) that I cannot agree with his argument that this will drive the wooden shipbuilders of the Maritime Provinces out of business; quite the contrary. The Government is just as anxious as is the hon. member for Lunenburg that all ships that can be built in Canada under our allied register, either wooden or steel, should be built here. There is no delay in the Department of Marine and Fisheries. All these requests are dealt with very speedily. If there was any blame it would rest on the shoulders of the minister, and I can assure the hon. member that I despatch such matters very quickly after ascertaining who the owners are. He mentioned the case of a wooden shipbuilder in the Maritime Provinces who got an order from France and who could not make the sale because he would be in doubt as to whether he could get registry or not until the ship was built. That is entirely contrary to the facts. Quite frequently men come to see me-there is one waiting for me now-to know if he can get register before he completes the deal. If an American shipbuilder, or any of our Allies, want ships built in Canada, they will be told that when the necessary very simple questions have been asked and answered, they can immediately get their registry. I am sure that in such times as we are now going through, my hon. friend from Lunenburg will recognize the necessity, in the interests of Canada, of the Government retaining control over shipping for at least three years after the war. Otherwise, we do not know what _tonnage, either wooden or steel, which is being built in Canada, will slip out of our control. I cannot agree with the hon. menlber when he says that we have to go outside of Canada to get trade. The fact is quite the contrary. As I said a moment ago, we could commence to move the products of the farm and of most of our industries, if we had all of our forty-five new ships in commission to-day. It would be an unwise policy for the Government to allow any of our ships, either wooden or steel, that are being constructed now, to pass under foreign control, or possibly into the hands of our enemies. This is merely a precautionary measure; it does not mean delay at all. Last year the number of transfers allowed on the application of both Allies and neutrals, was twelve, and the number of ships that applied for transfer of registry was 138. The hon. member will

see that we have already handled quite a number of transfers, and no one has complained about delay. I appreciated the fact that these matters must be dealt with speedily when they come before my department. No mortgage can be transferred or registry given unless the minister himself personally approves, and I can assure my hon. friend that I shall approve of these applications very speedily when they come before me.	.


William Duff: The explanation given by the minister is fairly satisfactory. So long as there is no delay I can assure him that it will be satisfactory to the wooden shipbuilders but they must have immediate action and they must know before they build the ships whether they can sell them or not. I was in the United States about a month ago and I had previously been in correspondence with a gentleman in Boston who has a large amount of money that he wishes to invest in Nova Scotia ships. He would be willing to put $50,000 into ships built in Nova Scotia, as an investment. This was before I knew anything about this Bill and I told him there would be no trouble in arranging it because in the past people in the United States have had shares in Nova Scotia ships. The shares were owned by British subjects but the British subjects gave a mortgage in the name of the American citizen. When I discussed this matter with that gentleman he told me that he had $50,000 to put in ships in Nova Scotia and I told him there was no reason why it could not be done in the usual manner. If this Bill goes through, and if I understand the Bill correctly, Canada will lose that money. If I am right in my interpretation of the Bill this gentleman cannot invest this money in Canadian shipping because we would not be able to give him a mortgage for the money that he invests. Am I right in that?


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: The hon. gentleman will be able to give him the necessary transfer of mortgage. There is no difficulty about that. You will have to apply to the Minister of Marine and Fisheries to get bis authority to give a transfer of the mortgage but there will be no delay or difficulty about the issuing of the mortgage. I am just as anxious as any hon. member to increase shipbuilding in Canada, altogether apart from what the Government is doing, and we will render every assistance to promote that object. But I am sure that hon. members will recognize that there is absolute necessity of Canada controlling her

shipping tonnage and she can only do that by asking people in these various countries to apply to the minister for a transfer of the mortgage or register.


Mr. J. H. SINCLAIR:: My principal objection- to the Bill is that it is an unnecessary interference -with business, without accomplishing any good object. If the minister says that he is going to give -his consent to all applications the Bill is no good. He has now pledged himself to the House that if any Canadian citizen wants to sell his ship to an American he will give his consent and the citizen will have a free hand to do it. Then, what is the use of the Bill? If it is to be of no use and if the minister is going to give his consent under all circumstances, it seems to me to be an interference with business and to have no good purpose. It always takes time to get the consent of the minister, and very often difficulties arise. Why should we put on the statute-book a law which will be of no service to anybody? As far as the control of shipping is concerned, the minister is not now exercising control over Canadian ships. Canadian ships are used freely in the trade of the world without any interference on the part of the minister. The fact that they are under Canadian registry does not seem to help Canada in so far as getting freight carried is concerned because the Canadian shipowner can carry freight from the river Platte to Great Britain ot from the river Platte to France, or anywhere else -and nobody interferes. Unless the minister intends to go farther and say that no Canadian ship can sail outside of Canada without the consent of the Department of Marine and Fisheries or of the minister, I do not see that any good purpose will be served by creating this obstacle to business. The minister knows that he is not controlling freight at the present time; yet, it does not make very much difference because if a ship is afloat and seeking business, it is immaterial to it what flag it sails under. It makes a good deal of difference in times of war but in times of peace the American shipowner is just as willing to accept Canadian business as American business provided the Canadian business is better. Unless the minister intends to go another step further I do not see the need for putting this law on the statute-book.


Mr. FIELDING:: Possibly it would help the situation if the minister would give a clear explanation of the circumstances under which approval would be given and the
circumstances under which approval would be refused. If the only object is to prevent our building ships and selling them to our alien enemies, if there .are to be any such in the future, I am sure we should all sympathize with it. But, I come from a section of the province of Nova Scotia where there has been quite a revival of the shipbuilding industry, as my hon. friend (Mr. Duff) has described. There is very great activity, there has been quite an improvement of the situation in -a business way and otherwise, but there is a fear now that the orders which have come there during war time may not continue. The view is expressed that we should encourage this industry by every means possible. If the minister could give us a definition of the class of application which he would accept and the class of application which he would be obliged to refuse it might help a good deal, because in the case of orders for new -ships, at all events, they could point to the conditions as defined by the minister in the House and that would have some weight. I entirely agree with what my hon. friend from Lunenburg -said as to the desirability of encouraging wooden shipbuilding in the lower provinces which has proved to be a very valuable industry in the last three or four years, and if we cannot help_ it along, we, at all events, should do nothing to obstruct it.


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: I will be very glad to give the hon. gentleman (Mr. Fielding) the information he has asked for, but before doing so I wish to state my position more clearly than possibly I have ,so far done in answer to the hon. member for Antigonish "(Mr. J. H. Sinclair). While 1 sand I would give authority to a citizen of the United States or to a citizen of France who wanted to get a transfer of mortgage or a -transfer of registry for a wooden ship,
I would not do so without making the necessary inquiries and satisfying myself as to who the people were that were applying for such transfer, but the necessary inquiries would be made by wire and speedily. There has not been any delay in these -matters since I have been Minister of Marine, and I do not see that any occasion for delay will arise in the present case.
In answer to the hon. member for Shelburne and Queen's I am pleased that he has asked -me to put the case in the way he did, and for his benefit I will state two concrete instances. Suppose citizens of our ally France asked for a transfer of registry or a transfer of mortgage. If the people

making 'the application were subjects of that country it would be granted immediately. On the other hand, the necessity of not taking these applications for what they purport to be without inquiry is illustrated by a case which occurred some months ago. One of the neutral countries applied for registry, but upon investigation we found that the vessel was intended to engage in enemy trade in the interest of an enemy country. The fact, however, that application had been made to the Minister oi Marine to get registry enabled us to prevent that ship, which was built in a Canadian yard and under Canadian registry, from passing into alien enemy hands. That is the principal object of this Bill, to see that none of our wooden or steel ships get into the hands of our enemies, and secondly to conserve our Canadian tonnage as much as we possibly can. Now here is a case which might possibly arise, although I do not say that it would: Take one of the ships that have been built by the Imperial Munitions Board and which that board may possibly want to sell to the United States or France. If we were very short of -essels, we might say: "No, we want to buy that ship ourselves." This Bill affords us the opportunity of looking first after our own interests and keeping our tonnage out of enemy hands.


Mr. MICHAEL CLARK:: I am very glad that we have now ascertained exactly what this legislation means, and if that be the minister's object I think, personally, he had better drop this Bill. He says that he does not want a Canadian ship to pass into the hands of an enemy, and I understand we are to have the Peace Treaty signed within a few days. Does the minister come before this Committee with the definite policy that after that Treaty is signed we are not going to do any business with those who have been our enemies in the late war, but that we are going to put obstacles in the way of business being done? Is that what my hon. friend means?


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: If the hon. member will allow me-[DOT].


Michael Clark: The question is one which can be answered in the affirmative or the negative. If the minister does not care to answer it I will assume that is what he means.


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: I will answer the hon. gentleman as soon as he is finished.


Michael Clark: If that is my hon. friend's attitude then it may be neces-

sary to explain to him that it means he is going to do everything in the way of preventing the payment of any of the enemy indemnities toy means of sea freight, because the only way in which the indemnities we are insisting upon the enemy paying can toe paid, is in goods, and so far as those goods come across the sea they must come in ships. If the whole abject of this legislation is to enable the minister to prevent our putting shipping facilities in the way of what he is pleased to still term enemy countries, then the economic effect will toe to put obstacles in the way of paying these indemnities. That will toe the meaning of his policy, 'that will be how it will work out in our future relationships with those countries. I have no particular use for our alien enemies, tout the fact is that under 'the Peace Treaty we have particular use for the indemnities which we demand they shall pay. Those indemnities can only toe paid in goods. Those goods can only toe brought in ships; and the minister -comes before the House with a Bill to perpetuate the powers given in war time by an Order in Council. That was very proper while we were at war, tout now that we shall shortly toe at peace the minister proposes to perpetuate the powers given under that Order in Council to the thwarting of our re-establishing of trade conditions, which means the thwarting of the payment of indemnities.


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: The hon. gentleman (Mr. Michael Clark), as we all know, is not only a very loyal Englishman tout a good Canadian as well. Nevertheless, he has apparently overlooked what I stated in my opening remarks, that the Old Country-the country from which he comes and which very seldom errs, particularly in shipping matters, because it has had the experience of hundreds of years, has passed a Bill similar to the one we are considering declaring that it will hold control of the transfer of mortgages and of registries until three years after peace has been signed. Surely Canada cannot go very far astray in following the example of the United Kingdom in that respect?
But that is only part of my answer to the hon. gentleman. I am more concerned about the interests of our own country. To-day we are short of shipping, and I have no hesitation in saying to the committee that if I received an application at the present time from Germany, or Austria, or Hungary, for a transfer of mortgage or a transfer of registry, I would say "no." I do not know what our answer might be a

year or two years from now, but in view of the feelings which we entertain towards those countries, and the existing shortage of Canadian tonnage, I would be derelict in my duty if I allowed such transfer of shipping tonnage under Canadian registry which is so badly needed by the Canadian people, and I would deem myself unfit to be a minister of the Crown. Under the circumstances I am quite sure that no member of the committee desires that should be done. For my part I am anxious to safeguard as far as possible the interests of Canada. This Bill does not contain a single restriction that is calculated to injure Canada; every word and every sentence in it is intended to promote the best interests of the Dominion. In the explanations so far given I covered the ground sufficiently; I merely desire to say briefly that we desire the necessary authority to deal with the construction of ships in Canada, both steel and wood, during the reconstruction period which we estimate will last for a period of three years. When that time has elapsed shipping will of course be open just as it formerly was. As it is, I will place no barrier in the way of securing a justifiable transfer of registry or mortgage; the Department of Marine will act as speedily as it can in the matter, but I certainly will make no promise that at this time, and in view of the terrible war we have recently gone through, I will be willing to give a transfer of mortgage or registry to any of our enemies.


William Stevens Fielding: Might we reasonably assume-leaving out of the question the so-called enemies, and possibly after Friday next they will possibly be no longer classed in that category-that in the case of applications from the United States or any neutral government-


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: There will be no trouble at all.


William Stevens Fielding: There will be no objection?


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: None at all.


William Stevens Fielding: Then that removes to some extent the objection to this legislation. If the operation of the Bill was intended to be permanent I would entirely agree with my hon. friend (Mr. Michael Clark), but it is limited to three years and the policy which has been deemed proper in war time may be tolerated for a few months after the war. It is only that limitation that would make the Bill justifiable at all.


John Howard Sinclair: If the minister would agree to confine the operation of the Bill to alien enemy countries no objection could be entertained to it at all, but for my part I see very serious objection to the legislation in its present form as being likely to hamper business. Let us say that a case occurs, such as the hon. member from Lunenburg (Mr. Duff) referred to, where an outside capitalist, from the United States or some other country, wishes to contract with Canadian builders for the construction of a ship. The agent of that capitalist arrives in Canada, but he is not going to deal merely with one firm, he makes approaches to all the firms that are open for business. All of them will be hampered because they cannot foretell what will happen in the course of the negotiations. Men want to know where they stand, particularly in the making of a contract. They cannot say: " We will build this ship for you and give you a good title to it at a certain date," unless they know where they stand. If there are half a dozen firms negotiating with the same party the minister will have a lot of trouble on his hands and he will not be able to satisfy anybody. That is my principal objection to the Bill. If the minister could see his way clear to confine the Bill altogether to alien enemy countries, I think all our opposition to it would be withdrawn. The minister says that it does not hamper business; but it does. The penalty is severe-a $5,000 fine and five years imprisonment. I would ask the minister if he could not amend his Bill to make it apply to the nations he refers to.


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: I have dealt with
dozens and dozens of cases such as the hon. member for Antigonish has mentioned. I can only say again, that if any man or any number of men want to transfer to any allied or neutral countries, they can do so by telegraphing to my department. I would simply wire back and say, " We will give you registry for the United States, France, (Norway or Italy,"-as the case might be -" provided, of course, that the company is not going to be foreign controlled." There will be no hampering of business, because we have been all through this for years and have not had the slightest difficulty at all. I can assure hon. members that there will be no delay and no restriction of trade, and undoubtedly it is a wise piece of legislation to put through at this time for the reasons I have already given.


William Duff: I understood the minister
to say, in reply to the hon. member for

Antigonish, that he would give permission for the transfer if the ship was not to be controlled 'by a foreign company. If a man in the United States or France buys a ship, he will control it.


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: I should have said if the ship is to be under alien enemy control.


William Duff: Of course, this would not
apply to the Dominion of Newfoundland?
Mr. BAiLLANTYNE: No.


William Duff: But while we are discussing this Bill I might call the minister's attention to the fact that we have had a great deal of difficulty in the last three or four years in getting vessels transferred from the Maritime Provinces to Newfoundland. We have had to get the consent of the department, and in some cases have had to submit to a great deal of delay and inconvenience both in the selling of new as well as of old ships. I remember a particular case last September; a fishing schooner went into St. John's, Newfoundland,	and	the captain	had an
offer for her. He telegraphed to the owner-by the way, he was a good friend of the Government-and this gentleman came to me and ashed if I would telegraph to Ottawa for permission to transfer the ship. It took me three [DOT] weeks to get the transfer arranged. At first the department absolutely refused to grant permission If this occurred in the case of new vessels we would not be able to do any business. But if the minister will give us his word that there will be no trouble, and that immediately on receipt of a telegram from anybody in Canada the matter will be looked into and permission given or not given, I think there is not much harm in the Bill.


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: In answer to my
hon. friend, I have a letter of thanks and appreciation from the late Colonial Secretary of Newfoundland, Mr. Squires. He came to Ottawa on the morning train to see me about the transfer of a large number of wooden ships from Canadian to Newfoundland registry, and he was able to return by the afternoon train. I not only gave him, between trains, the transfers he wanted, but I also had the
12 noon, pleasure of having him to lunch.
When he returned to Newfoundland I got the thanks of his Government for the speedy way in which I had handled the matter. The Colonial Secretary told the

Deputy Minister of Marine and Fisheries that he expected to be in Ottawa several days; instead of that he was only in the city three hours. That is the policy we have followed in the past, and that is the policy we intend to follow in the future


William Duff: How does the matter stand with regard to the transfer of ships to Newfoundland registry; do we still have to apply to the department?


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: Yes.


William Duff: There will be no trouble?


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: No trouble at all.


Michael Clark: I have one or two words to say to the hon. minister. He carefully avoided any explanation of how he proposed to get the goods from those enemy nations who have to pay war indemnities, and he sdemed to lay down a policy which, from my point of view, is utterly bad on two grounds. My hon friend referred to me as an Englishman. Well, I have a great deal of admiration for England. I do not know the particulars of the British measure, but I would like to give my hon. friend and the Government a piece of advice, and that is to imitate England when she does good things, and not when she does bad things. I have not unlimited confidence in the Government that is ruling England at the present moment. Neither, as far as I can see, have a large number of constituencies in which byelections have taken place. There is a certain species of lower animal, known as the mimetic species, that have the power oi imitating other objects, animate or inanimate, to save themselves from their enemies. I sometimes feel that this is a mimetic Government. If ever we attack a proposal, it is supposed to be sufficiently defended when we are told that it comes from England or from the United States. That is not quite a good thing to an Englishman who has just a little Scotch blood in him. I do not want to elaborate this point too far, but I am going to deal svith the points my hon. friend raised. He seemed to think it was a sufficient defence to his Bill to say that it came from England. Two years ago daylight saving was defended on exactly the same grounds, and this Parliament carried a measure giving it effect without discussion almost. This year this same Parliament voted against it by two to one. Why? Not because it was English or American, but because they tried it and found it bad. So much for my hon. friend's English precedent. I will go into

his English precedent a little further in a moment.
I view this legislation not only with suspicion and distrust, but with hostility, on two grounds. In the first place, I do not think that we can afford, in Canada oi all places in the world, to be forever at war with the peoples whom we have fought and beaten. My hon. friend says that I am an Englishman. When a boy in England, after a bout of fisticuffs outside a public house, I have seen the victor help the fallen man to his feet, take him inside, and stand him a drink. That is what we mean when we speak of an Englishman. When he has his spite out he forgets it, if those with whom he has fought will allow him to do so. I say it would be a most unfortunate thing if this Government, after the war is over, is to perpetuate feelings of international hatred and jealously-the very feelings out of which war arises. I argued in this House on the Military Service Act that the only ground on which I would de-fenc^ conscription was that we were adopting it to kill conscription. The only ground on which I could defend war was that we were at war to end war. And if we are ever to indulge the sentiments of international hatred and suspicion, then it is because those sentiments are forced upon us. So much for that side of the question.
Economically, this legislation is bad from my point of view. My hon. friend utterly failed to touch the point that I raised with regard to how we are going to convey goods from enemy countries if we pursue a policy through our Marine and Fisheries Department of restricting our traffic with those countries.
I hope that my hon. friend gets the point. I wonder how far he would restrict his trade with those countries? Let us suppose that peace was signed. My hon. friend is a business man; I do not know what class oi goods he handles-at least, I have no right to mention it here. But suppose that in his capacity as the head of a business firm he is hard pressed to make his business go. I hope that he will never be in those circumstances, but it is a fact that we are all anxious, in the short time between the cradle and the grave, to do all the business that we can; let us get rid of any cant and humbug in this connection. Suppose that during the three year-period of the reconstruction of shipping operations with what were enemy countries, my hon. friend's firm was offered a large order by a reputable concern in any one of the enemy countries, at a time when we were trying to forget the
war and to reconstruct our country and oui business. I would like my hon. friend to tell me whether he would say: Oh, we were at war with the Germans a year ago; I really could not fill this order. Would he take that attitude? If every business man in Canada did his business in that way, what would be the result? But I am very suspicious of my horn friend. I know what kind of business man he is; I do not think he would put upon himself, even for the three years, a commercial self-denying ordinance of that kind. If he would not, then commercially his Bill is bad, because he has himself avowed that its object is to reconstruct commercial intercourse with those who were our enemies.


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: I do not know whether the hon. member is aware that I am no longer active in business ; rightly or wrongly I am devoting all my time and attention to the public position that I now occupy. The people who are carrying on the business that I formerly managed will have to decide the question raised by my hon. friend. What is before us now is this Bill and the question whether it is in the best interests of Canada. I have gone into it fully and have nothing more to add on the subject. I am sure that the committee is satisfied that there is no restriction of trade about it; on the contrary, it is designed to promote and facilitate the shipping of Canada and to see that it is in proper hands. If a year or two from now any of our present enemies made application for a transfer of registry or of mortgage, I would bring the matter before the Government for decision. This Bill does not absolutely shut out such a transfer; it will be for the Governor in Council to decide questions of that kind.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: The minister heard on a previous occasion the member for South Cape Breton and Richmond (Mr. Butits) and myself discussing the question of the return of ships and shipping that had been commandeered for the purposes of the war. We pointed out that many of these ships had not been returned and (that the circumstances revealed in connection with their detention did not seem to be altogether creditable to those concerned. Have these ships been returned to their former contracts or pre-war charters? If not, is the Government assisting the companies, and those who are immediately concerned, to get these ships back ? Quite a number of ships were under contract in the early days of the war with the Nova Scotia Steel

Company, and with the Dominion Coal Company for the carrying of coal to the ports on the St. Lawrence. They had contracts for terms of five, tten or fifteen years at what were regarded as good rates, but at rates which were low compared with those to which we have become accustomed during the war. These ships were put into the service of the British Government at high rates, and, naturally enough, the owners are anxious to continue them in that service as long as possible. But those who had them under contract are anxious to get them back at once, because without them their business is crippled, and the business o.f the people who are interested in the products of these large companies is seriously affected. If the Government can do anything to expedite the return of these ships to their former charters and contracts, it should be done as speedily as possible.


Robert Laird Borden: I am, perhaps, somewhat more familiar with recent aspects of the subject referred to by the leader of the Opposition (Mr. McKenzie) than' is the Minister of Marine and Fisheries (Mr. Ballantyne), because thait subject has had the attention of myself and of other Canadian ministers on the other side of 'the ocean on many occasions during the last five or six months. I do not intend ito speak very fully upon it at the moment, because negotiations have been proceeding and representations have been made quite recently; in fact, before coming to the House this morning I drafted a communication on the subject which will go forward to-day. I think that if the member for Red Deer (Mr. M. Clark) was aware of some of the communications that have passed and of some of the representations that have been made, he would not be inclined to regard the Government of Canada as purely a mimetic government. As a matter of fact, we have taken very strong issue with authorities on the other side of the ocean as to certain aspects of the course which has been pursued. It is not desirable that I should speak more fully on this aspect of the question than in the words I have just used. The leader of the Opposition can be assured that no effort that could properly be made has been wanting and that the representations which have been addressed not only to the British Ministry of shipping, but also to the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, have not been lacking either in vigour or in firmness.


William Stevens Fielding: I would like to supplement what the leader of the Opposition has said, though I take it for granted, as the Prime Minister has told us/ that every effort is being made to deal with the situation. The importance of this mattef to various interests can hardly be overestimated. It is of great importance to the coal interests of Nova Scotia; and that is a far-reaching interest that affects not only the coal companies, but also the employment of a large army of men. It affects also the interests of the Government of Nova Scotia.


Robert Laird Borden: It affects the revenue of the province.


William Stevens Fielding: Yes. It affects largely the interests of the city of Montreal as concerning the St. Lawrence coal trade. Unless these ships are released from their engagements by the British Government and placed at the disposal of the coal trade, I am afraid that we shall have difficulty in supplying the city and port of Montreal and the neighbouring sections of the St. Lawrence with the coal upon which they rely for their industrial enterprises. From every point of view the matter is one of very great importance, and I am very glad to receive the assurance of the Prime Minister that the Government have been doing and will do everything they can with a view to securing the return of these ships.


Robert Laird Borden: I may say to the hon. member (Mr. Fielding) that in view of pending negotiations I shall consider the advisability of making a somewhat fuller statement to the House than I have made this morning.


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: I know that the Prime Minister and his colleagues who have been overseas recently have done everything (possible to get these ships in order that they may be put into the coal trade again. When I was overseas last summer, by making many, many visits to the Minister of Shipping, I was able to get free the ships "Turret Court" and "Turret Cape," but of course, they were under Canadian registry. When ships are not under Canadian registry, we have not the authority to deal with them as effectively as if they were, but I am fully aware of the serious lack of tonnage to bring coal to Montreal, and with the Prime Minister, I shall be very glad to lend whatever aid I can.


Mr. BUTTS:: Were not all those ships that were commandeered, if not under Canadian registry, under Canadian charter?


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: I cannot say positively. They were not all under Canadian registry, but they were, so far as I know, under Canadian charter, and really they ought to he returned to Canada. It is a shame that they have not been, but as the Prime Minister has stated, he will take every step possible to get them back as soon as he can.


[Stage Direction]
Section agreed to.
On section 2-forfeiture on owner ceasing to be a British subject, or becoming a foreign controlled company.
John Howard Sinclair: Does the minister regard this clause as necessary? It reads:
Where, after the passing of this Act, any person who is the owner or mortgagee of a British ship registered in Canada ceases to be a British subject or becomes a foreign controlled company, that ship, or, in the case of a mortgagee of a ship, the interest of the mortgagee, shall be subject to forfeiture.
That is going pretty far. Supposing a Canadian moves to the United States and becomes a citizen of that republic, he forfeits the ship he happens to own. Is this forfeiture absolute, or is there a way of escaping it? I was struck with the severity of the clause, and I want to hear from the minister why he thinks it is necessary.


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: As the hon. member will notice, that is already covered by Part 1 of the Merchant Shipping Act, 1894.


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Section agreed to.
On section 4-duration of Act:
William Stevens Fielding: May I call attention to the wording of this clause? It may be sufficient; it may not. Before the Royal Assent can be given to this Bill, in all probability, peace will be reached by means of the treaty, although it may not have been proclaimed. The present war is referred to in this Bill, hut by the time this Bill is receiving the Royal Assent, there may be no present war. It is enough to call the attention of the draughtsmen to the matter.


Robert Laird Borden: I should hardly think the suggestion of the hon. member would affect the matter, for this reason, that peace cannot be proclaimed until three of the Allied nations shall have ratified the treaty. Therefore, it is, I think, perfectly clear that we should still be technically in a state of war for some weeks and probably
months after this Bill will have received the Royal Assent.


William Stevens Fielding: The Prime Minister
is counting on an early prorogation.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Will, in all cases, the
peace treaties have to be ratified by the various Parliaments?


Robert Laird Borden: That is a matter of domestic concern within each country. As regards the United Kingdom, the Prime Minister has given an undertaking that the peace treaties shall be submitted to the British Parliament before ratification, and we intend to pursue the same course here with respect to all the treaties. We shall have them laid before Parliament in order that they may be considered by Parliament before we shall authorize ratification on the part of Canada.


Rodolphe Lemieux: I do not know if I made myself very clear. I understand the peace treaties will be signed by the plenipotentiaries, and as regards Canada, we are bound by the signatures of the Prime Minister of Great Britain and his colleagues who attend the Peace 'Conference. Then the treaties will, as a matter of course, be sent to the various Dominions, Canada included, and be considered by Parliament, not for the purpose of ratification, if I understand well, but simply for the purpose of passing judgment on the treaty.


Robert Laird Borden: The ratification is an executive act. Parliament would not ratify the treaty; Parliament might be concerned in the passing of legislation which the Peace Treaty would render necessary. I do not think it is the intention of any Government within the British Empire to ratify any Peace Treaty as an executive act without first consulting Parliament and giving Parliament an opportunity to express its opinion thereon.


William Duff: As peace will be concluded in a month or two, I would move that this clause be changed to read:
This Act shall continue in operation for three years.
Cutting out the words " during tbe present war " and " after the conclusion of peace." It will make only a difference of a month or so.
Mr. J. H. 'SINCLAIR: That is three years from the date on which the Bill receives the Royal Assent.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: Yes.


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Amendment agreed to.
[Stage Direction]
Mr. iLEMIEUX: 1 understand the object of the Bill, but will it affect only alien enemy ownership^of ships, or all foreign owners, whether belonging to a friendly power or to an enemy power.
Mr. BA-L-uANTYNE : All foreign ownership.
Rodolphe Lemieux: I understand some
friendly powers are going to organize a line of steamers between Canada and Rumania.


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: Every one, whether belonging to an enemy country or to a friendly country, has to apply to the Minister of Marine.
Section as amended agreed to.
Bill reported, and amendments concurred in.



PROPRIETARY OR PATENT MEDICINE ACT AMENDMENT.

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Hon. A. K. Maclean (Acting Minister of Customs and Inland Revenue) moved the third reading of Bill No. 53 (from the Senate), to amend the Proprietary or Patent Medicine Act.
Mr. MICHAEL STEELE (South Perth):: Mr. Speaker, before this Bill receives its third reading I would like to call the attention of the House to certain features of it with which I dealt on a former occasion and which I feel are not thoroughly understood. If they were, I do not. think the Bill would have reached its present stage in the form in which it is now before us.
1	would direct attention to the clauses relating to registration and license fees in the Bill as amended, and which will hit retail druggists severely, and to subsection
2	of section 2 which, as amended, reads:
For the purposes of this Act the proprietor of a proprietary or patent medicine shall be deemed to be the manufacturer thereof.
That means that in a great many cases retail druggists will legally be manufacturers of the medicines which they sell but which may have been manufactured by one of the wholesale patent medicine manufacturing firms. Under section 3 every manufacturer, who will be a retail druggist according to the previous section, shall, before offering any medicine for sale, procure from the minister a numbered certificate of registration for each proprietary or patent medicine he proposes to offer for sale. He will have to pay $2 for each certificate, and another section imposes a license fee of 81 for each preparation that
[Mr. A. K. Maclean.!
is sold. Large wholesale manufacturing firms will simply pay $2 for each article they manufacture, which will mean practically nothing to them, while the retail druggists will have to pay the same registration fee for each article which in a great many cases they will not manufacture, and an annual license fee of 81 for each preparation sold. In order to satisfy myself of the fact that it will bear heavily on retail druggists, I made inquiries of a number of druggists, who gave me information that confirms my contention that it will. One druggist tells me that 17 preparations of his will come under this Act. He will have to pay, therefore, registration fees amounting to $34 and annual license fees amounting to $17. Another druggist sells four preparations, and another fifteen. The latter has just started in a new business and he informs me that if he carries the line of goods he had in his last business he will sell thirty-five preparations, which will mean $70 in registration fees and $35 in license fees. Another druggist has ten preparations and another six. From a city druggist I get the information that city druggists will have to pay in the way of license fees an average of from $5 or $10 up to $00 or $100 per annum. I am sure it is not the intention of the Act to impose these fees on retail druggists who after all are receiving the minor profits in the patent medicine business. I regret the Bill is worded as it is. but I believe it is not yet too late to make the necessary change, and I hope the minister wall take the matter further into consideration and modify the Bill so as to relieve retail druggists of these heavy costs. It may be said that $10 or $20 is not much, but it is a great deal in these days. The reason for imposing these fees is, of course, to defray in some measure for the cost of administration, but I think the men who should pay for the cost of the administration of the Act are the large manufacturers. The great burden of the cost should be imposed on them because they can best bear it. If the Bill passes as it is, in a year or -two it will fall into the same condition as the last Patent Medicine Bill and become a mere dead letter, incapable of being properly enforced owing to the opposition and dissatisfaction among retail druggists throughout the country. It is far better to have a law which can be .'strictly enforced than one which will meet with determined opposition all round. I trust the minister will give this matter his

earnest consideration 'before the Bill finally passes.


Mr. SPEAKER:: In submitting this motion; the minister exercised his right to speak. Under our rules a reply is not permitted, but owing to the peculiar circumstances of the case, I presume the House will give unanimous consent for the minister to make reply.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Before my hon. friend Replies, I would like to draw attention to a resolution passed by an association of ladies in the West in which is denounced the use of alcohol in certain preparations.
I wonder if my hon. friend will take action in regard to the resolution passed by this association? As he accepted the amendment moved by my hon. friend from Beauce (Mr. Beland) concerning the use of opiates in drugs, will he permit to be sold in future what remains in stock, in the various drug stores, of drugs that may he poisonous in that they contain opiates? I refer to preparations for the use of babies. Surely my hon. friend should prevent the sale of such drugs that may be in stock.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: Immediately this Act goes into force, the further sale of these prohibited drugs will be prevented, and the loss will fall upon those druggists who have them in stock. I shall he glad to take into consideration the suggestion of my hon. friend (Mr. Steele) and if I find that .an amendment is necessary I can overtake the Bill in the Senate. The matter he suggests was discussed very fully by the committee who were of opinion that you could not differentiate between the small manufacturer and large manufacturer of patent medicines. Many local druggists sell very largely their own patent medicines, and if they want to avoid payment of the tax all they need to do is print upon the bottle or wrapper the formula showing the ingredients of the medicine.
I do not think it would be fair to say that the large manufacturer of patent medicines must pay a tax different from that imposed on the small manufacturer of perhaps similar medicines. I am doubtful whether there should be any such thing permitted as the patenting of drugs at all. I hope we will reach the time when everybody who discovers a medicine of value will be very glad to reveal the formula to the world. I am rather inclined to have very little sympathy with anybody who is engaged in the patent medicine business.


Mr. FOURNIER:: 
Alexander Kenneth Maclean: No respectable man would keep secret a medical discovery which would cure any one.


Charles Alphonse Fournier: The enforcement of this Bill would have prevented the use of antitoxin and such preparations as that, which at first were kept secret.


Mr. MANION:: I have studied something of the history of medicine, and I do not know of any remedy that is a cure for anything that was ever discovered by a physician anywhere that was kept secret, with the exception of Salvarsan, a cure for syphilis, which was discovered by Elrich. He kept it secret and patented it.


Charles Alphonse Fournier: Then, we are spending time for nothing. Drug therapy seems to have become a lost art. Doctor Huxley said of young students: They work to pass, and outraged science gets her revenge. If my hon. friend the Acting Minister of Trade and Commerce consults the records of malpractice in the United States he will find that the cases are in the following proportions: Physicians 60, druggists 10, and patent medicine manufacturers 4. Therefore, I must ask the minister to give more consideration to the druggist's part of this matter. If he had accepted my suggestion the other day he would have wiped out the patent medicines that are absolutely no good. He has given no protection to the public and in this connection I know what I am talking about.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: I did not answer my hon. friend's question correctly. I remember reading a resolution this morning from some ladies' organization at Regina, I think-objecting to the use of alcohol in

medicine. Possibly they did not go that far because it is impossible to compound medicines without alcohol. I think that probably the gist of the resolution was that we should prohibit an excess of alcohol in drugs without sufficient medication. (Medicine might be so compounded that the liquid would be potable and could be used as an ordinary alcoholic beverage. The Bill provides that the advisory committee can prohibit the sale of any drug containing alcohol that is not sufficiently medicated. I shall discuss the point raised by my hon. friend behind me during the day personally or privately.
Mr. lLEM'IEUX :	What penalty is provided for breaking the law in the case of drugs containing opium?
Mr. A. K. M,A CLEAN: There is a general penalty clause.
Mr. PETER McGIBiBON: When this Bill was up at first I asked the minister if he could give us any information as to the cost of administering the Act. I would like to know if he has any further information.


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: We are not in committee; this is on the motion for the third reading of the Bill and I would suggest that there should be some attention paid to the rule that only one speech is permitted from each hon. member.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: I am unable to give my hon. friend (Mr. P. McGibbon) that information now.


[Stage Direction]
Motion agreed to, Bill read the third time and passed.

[Stage Direction]
On the Order for the second reading of Bill No. 105 to amend the Inspection and Sale Act (Containers):
Edgar Nelson Rhodes: Dropped.



CANADA GRAIN ACT AMENDMENT.

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>On the motion of Hon. A. K. Maclean, Acting Minister of Trade and Commerce, the House went into Committee on the following resolutions, Mr. Boivin in the Chair:
Resolved, That it is expedient to bring' in a measure to amend The Canada Grain Act, chapter 27 of the statutes of 1912, and therein to provide,-
1.	That in lieu of the provisions of section
102 of the said Act, it be enacted that there shall be a board to be known as the Board of Grain Appeal, to consist of three members who must be expert and experienced in the inspection of grain to be appointed by the Governor in Council;	.
2.	That

(a)	each member shall hold office for ten years, but may be removed for cause, and shall retire upon reaching the age of seventy years;
(b)	a member upon expiration of his term of office, if under seventy years of age, shall be eligible for reappointment;
(c)	one of such members shall be appointed iby the 'Governor in Council as Chairman of the Board; two members shall be a quorum;
(d)	the salaries of the members shall be such as are fixed by the Governor in Council;
(e)	the fees to be charged by the Board of Grain Appeal shall be set by the said board on or before the first day of September in each year, and shall be approved by the Governor in Council.
(f)	the members of the said board shall devote the whole of their time to their duties under the Act and shall not accept or hold any other office or employment.
(g)	no member or officer shall, directly or indirectly, hold any interest in any corporation subject to this Act, nor directly or indirectly deal in or be financially interested in grain or hold any interest in any grain elevator or warehouse or in any partnership, corporation or business engaged in the grain trade or. in the transportation or storage of grain;
(h)	the members and such officers as may he directed shall before acting take and subscribe an oath of office in prescribed form.
(i)	the said board shall hear all appeals from the decisions of the Chief Inspector on samples of grain, as provided' in section 101, and perform such other duties as are prescribed by the Governor in Council by regulation or otherwise;
(j)	the offices of the said hoard shall be in such place as the Governor in Council may direct, but for the purpose of better considering any particular appeal, the board or any of its members duly appointed in any special case by the said board may hold sittings at any other place in the division.
3.	That in lieu of the provisions of subsection seven of section ninety-five of the said Act, it be enacted that in the month of August in each year, stock shall toe' taken of the quantity of each grade of grain in the terminal elevators; if a surplus in any grade of grain is found in excess of one-half of one per cent of the gross amount of the grain received in the elevator during the crop year, such excess surplus shall be sold annually toy the Board of Grain Commissioners and the proceeds thereof paid to the said board. Such proceeds shall be applied towards cost of the administration of The Canada Grain Act in such manner as the minister may determine on the approval of the Governor in Council.
4.	That the provisions of section 101 be amended so as to provide that appeals from the decisions of the Chief Inspector, on samples of grain respecting which the grading is in dispute, shall be to the Board of Grain Appeal.
5.	That in lieu of the provisions of section 103 it be enacted that the Board of Grain Appeal may make by-laws for the better carrying out of the business of the Grain Survey Board of any district in the Division, and for the establishment of a schedule of fees for survey services.
6.	That the provisions of section 104 be amended so as to provide that a survey board with offices in Calgary shall be established and

appointed for the district of Calgary, and that the provisions of section 101 ("Grain Survey Board " being substituted for the " Board of Appeal") and 103, as amended, shall apply to such survey hoard.
7.	That sections 101, 102', 103, and 104 as proposed to be enacted, shall come into force from such date as may be prescribed by proclamation of the Governor in Council.
8.	That the provisions of section 119 be amended to provide,-
(a)	that all licenses, issued under the Canada Grain Act shall expire on the 3lst August in each year;
(b)	that the Board of Grain Commissioners shall fix the amount of- bonds to he given by the different persons specified in said section and by primary grain dealers; and license, control and regulate the trimming of all grain at Fort William and Port Arthur
(c)	that the said board, in its discretion, may accept security of persons, Arms or corporations to whatever amount and in whatever form shall be deemed necessary by them in lieu of bonds ;
(d)	that any person who engages in any business for which a license is required under the said Act, without first obtaining such license shall be guilty of an offence and liable, on summary conviction, to a penalty of not less than five hundred dollars and not exceeding two thousand dollars and costs, or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years, or to both fine and imprisonment.
9.	That the provisions of section 120 be amended to provide that the board shall have all the powers of a commissioner appointed under the provisions of Part I of the Inquiries Act, chapter one hundred and four of the Revised Statutes of Canada, 1&06.
10.	That the provisions of section 137 be amended to provide that every warehouseman of a terminal elevator shall be required on or before the 15th day of August of each year to file with the board the table or schedule of rates as specified in said section.
11.	That a provision be added to section 151 to provide that the railway company shall on allotment of any site for new elevators and1 on transfer of any lease notify the board, stating the location and to whom allotted or transferred, and shall furnish the board on or before the 1st of October of each year with a list of all elevators and warehouses on its lines.
12.	That a provision be added to section 160 to provide that notwithstanding the provisions of subsection four of this section, the owner, possessor or holder of a cash purchase ticket shall not be deprived of his right to payment or redemption as against the warehousemen or his surety for payment of same, if he should not avail himself of the provisions of subsection four.
13.	That in lieu of the provisions of subsection three of section 166, it be enacted that except as in this part mentioned or except as otherwise provided by order or regulation of the Board of Grain 'Commissioners for Canada with the approval of the Governor in Council, no receipt or certificates shall contain language anywise limiting or modifying the legal liability of the person issuing same nor shall any of the parties thereto enter into any agreement whatever, other than that provided for in the aforesaid warehouse receipt. The entering into any such agreement shall be deemed an offence and the agreement shall be void.
14.	That the provisions of section 197 be amended to provide that the applicant or his
agent duly appointed in writing shall furnish to the railway agent the name and post office address of 'the applicant, and the section, township and range on which the grain was grown; and by adding the provision that no agent employee, owner or operator of any elevator company or of any grain company or of any person licensed under this Act shall either directly or indirectly act as agent within the meaning of this section.
15.	That section 201 be amended by adding the provision that any such notice shall be made out in duplicate, one copy of which shall be open to the public at any time, being kept on file by the agent, and the other being posted up in a conspicuous place in the waiting room or in the place of business of the person in charge of the car order book, which notices shall be available to all persons for a period of not less than sixty days from the time said cars were awarded.
16.	That a provision be added to section 215 to provide that no person, firm of corporation, licensed as a grain commission merchant, shall directly or indirectly buy for their own account any grain consigned to them for sale on commission.
i(. mat a provision be addel to section 219 that the proceeds or balances of all such carload lots shall only ,be applied in settlement of each specific transaction.
18.	That Primary Grain Dealer shall mean any person, firm or corporation which contracts with the producer to purchase or handle grain for commerce in any manner for which a license (other than a license for a primary grain dealer) is not required under the provisions of The Canada Grain Act.
19.	That it be enacted as section 219A of the said Act that,-
(a) no person, firm or corporation shall caj-ry on the business of primary grain dealer without first having obtained a license so to do from the board and entered into bond with sufficient sureties, for such amount and in such form as is approved by the board;
0b) the annual fee for such license shall be five dollars;
(c) it shall be the duty of every primary grain dealer to make all contracts in writing in duplicate in form H of the schedule to this proposed Act, said duplicates to be signed by both parties thereto, one of said duplicates to be delivered to the producer; and to properly account for and settle in full for contracts entered into.
20.	That section 225 be amended to provide that all provisions of this part relating to commission merchants shall, so far as applicable, apply to licenses issued to track buyers and primary grain dealers.
21. That it be enacted as section 227A of the said Act that the delivery of grain to any warehouseman of a country, terminal, public or other elevator for storage, although it be mingled with that of other grain, and the shipping as removing of grain from its original place of storage in any of the elevators aforesaid, shall be deemed a bailment and not a sale.
22. That a provision be added to section 244 that if any corporation is convicted of an offence under this section, every officer of such corporation who knowingly had any part or share in the commission of such offence, shall also ibe personally liable to the said penalties, and in default of payment to imprisonment for not less than one month or more than one year.
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23. That the penalty prescribed by section 24 5 he amended to provide for a penalty of not less than twenty-five dollars for the first offence, a penalty of not less than two hundred and fifty dollars or two months in jail for a second offence, and to a penalty of not less than five hundred dollars or three months m jail for a third offence.
Alexander Kenneth Maclean: The Bill proposed to be founded upon these resolutions will contain perhaps two important amendments. The balance are not of such importance. The principal features are those providing for the establishment, of a board o.f appeal in Western Canada in substitution for 'the board of surveys, as I think it is now called. That is the body which hears appeals from the inspectors of grain in the western provinces. Very strong representations have been made to the Government by western interests to establish this hoard of appeal, particularly the producing interest. This is not a measure absolutely free from doubt as to the advisability of the creation of the board and I am quite .content that Parliament shall have every latitude possible in reaching a proper conclusion in regard to it. It is proposed that the board should consist of three members and that they shall not engage in any other business than the hearing of appeals from the inspections of the various graiii inspectors of the grain producing provinces.
The other important feature of the Bill is that which provides for a limitation^ of what is called the "overages" in connection with the terminal elevators. Section 2 of the Bill will provide:
That in the month of August in each year, stock shall be taken of the quantity of each grade of grain in the terminal elevators ; if a surplus in any grade of grain is found in excess of one half of one per cent of the gross amount of the grain received in the elevator during the crop year, such excess surplus shall be sold annually by the Board of Grain Commissioners and the proceeds thereof paid to the said Board. Such proceeds shall be applied towards cost of the administration of The Canada Grain Act in such manner as the minister may determine on the approval of the Governor in Council.
The Bill will propose that the proceeds of the overages shall go to the Grain Board for the purpose of meeting the cost of administration of the Canada Grain Act. I am not absolutely wedded to that proposal; it may be sounder in principle that these revenues shall go to the Consolidated Revenue Fund account, hut there is a great deal to be said in favour of it.
The Bill will also provide that any surplus in excess of one-half of one per cent of the gross amount of the grain shall he
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sold annually. There will be doubtless a variation of opinion whether or not this is a proper average. It has been represented to me by some, that one-quarter of one per cent is a proper average. Others say one-half; while still another class suggests that the proportion should be midway between one-quarter and one-half. It is perhaps difficult to determine what is the proper percentage because the producing interest, that is the farmers in the West, object to the establishment of a cash tariff for elevators. The elevators in the past have counted upon deriving practically the greater portion of their remuneration for elevator services from the overages which they receive.


Mr. MAHARG:: Did I understand the minister to say that the producers object to a cash basis for overages?


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: I said that I understand the producing interests of the West are opposed to the absolute elimination of overages, and the substitution of a cash tariff for elevator services. That is my impression. There was a delegation of representative men fronl the West before me, perhaps two months ago, and I put that question to them, and was told very emphatically that the farmers do not at present care for the idea of a cash tariff. I may be wrong in that view.


John Archibald Maharg: I think it is just the reverse; the farmers want each tariff to pay for itself. They want to know what each tariff costs them. They do not want any of the tariffs to be mixed up with overages, or anything of that kind; in their opinion, each tariff should stand on its own basis.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: I cannot hear my hon. friend very distinctly, and perhaps we misunderstand each other. I am merely stating my view that the wheat growers in the West do not want the absolute elimination of any overages at the elevators, and would not be sympathetic towards a purely cash tariff for elevator services. That is my view and I do not think I am wrong in it. If that view is correct it is very difficult to determine what should be the exact percentage of overages which should be left with the elevator company. I might say that during the past year an audit was made of the overages obtained or secured by the different terminal elevators of Canada during a period of five years at the instance of the Minister of Trade and Commerce, and the report disclosing the results was laid upon the table some considerable time ago. I assume that the facts therein

stated are known to hon. gentlemen, and therefore I need not go into any of the details of the report. '
Other provisions might more profitably be dealt with when the Bill has been printed and probably it would be better to defer consideration of every question and every principle involved until after the passage of the resolution. We are providing also for more severe penalties against persons who engage in the handling of grain in any manner without having first received a license. Hon. gentlemen from the West will know that in recent years some dealers having a track-buying license have-engaged in the grain commission business without having furnished the Board of Grain Commissioners with a bond, and after purchasing grain have failed to pay the persons from whom they made the purchase. We are endeavouring to prescribe severer penalties for such violations of the Act. I do not think I need trouble the committee with an explanation of other sections of the Bill, because ample opportunity will be given hon. gentlemen to discuss many matters relating to the grain business upon the second reading of the Bill. Several members earlier in the session had resolutions on the Order Paper involving a discussion of matters relating to the grain industry, but they were not reached and I promised the hon. gentlemen referred to that upon the second reading of the Bill there would be the widest latitude to discuss everything that relates to the grain business in the West.


Robert James Manion: When the Bill comes up for the second reading it will be still later an the session, and I personally would not like to take up time by any extended remarks upon this question. I would prefer to speak now upon the resolution, unless the minister is absolutely opposed to it, because the later we get in the session the more impatient of discussion the House becomes. I do not think it will tend to shorten matters to postpone the discussion until the second reading, although I have personally no intention of putting myself on record twice.
At one o'clock the committee took recess.
The committee resumed at three o'clock.


The CHAIRMAN:: When the committee rose at one o'clock we were dealing with the resolutions to amend the Canada Grain Act, Chapter 27 of the Statutes of 1912. Mr. Manion had the floor.


Robert James Manion: Mr. Chairman, I regret at this late date to take up any
length of time in a discussion of this kind, but this legislation has been held over for a couple of sessions and unfortunately it now comes so late in the session that it is necessary, if one speaks at all, to speak at this time. The reason I am interested in this Grain Act is due to the fact that in the handling of the wheat crop of Canada, Fort William and Port Arthur are a very important link in the chain. Before I discuss the details of the question, I am going to put on Hansard a few figures to show the importance of the wheat trade of this country, figures which took a good deal of time to compile, and which I think would be of interest to those hon. members who have not given any attention to our wheat trade.
The wheat production of the world for the average year of the five year period, 1911 to 1915, was 3,850,000,000 bushels. The United States was the highest producer with 787,000,000 bushels, then follows Russia with
653.000.	000 bushels, British India with 361,000,000 bushels, France with 272,000,000 bushels, Canada with 245,000,000 bushels, Austria-Hungary with 221,000,000 bushels! Italy with 183,000,000 bushels, the Argentine with 161,000,000 bushels, Germany witp 152,000,000 bushels, Spain with 125,000,000 bushels, and Australia with 94,000,000 bushels. I have taken those countries because they are the most important wheat producing countries of the world They are named in their order for the average year. It may be well to call the attention of the House to the fact that France, a little country with an area about the size of Manitoba, produced more in the average of that five years than Canada. It might give a lesson to us as to the production of wheat.
The total value of the field crops in Canada in 1917 was $1,144,000,000. Of that wheat represented 35 per cent, or $453,000,000. In the year 1908 the wheat crop of Canada was 112,000,000 bushels of a value of $91,000,000, or 81 cents a bushel, but prices vary from year to year, showing that the value of the crop depends upon the amount of wheat produced in the world, and, therefore, the demand for it. Coming down to 1917 our wheat crop was 233,000,000 bushels with a value of $453,000,000, or nearly $2 a bushel, showing that at that time, due to the war and the shortage of shipping, wheat had more than doubled in value.
Canada's export of wheat in 1874-I am just going over these figures very briefly to place them on Hansard-was 6,500,000 bushels; from 1874 to 1896 it varied from
2.000.	000 bushels to nearly 10,000,000 hush-

els; tout in 1916 we exported 157,000,000 bushels, and in 1917, 189,000,000 (bushels.
Now, Sir, to get to the question before the House. I would like to explain to those hon. members who have not had any occasion to look into the wheat question at all the handling of the wheat crop from the farmer to England. The farmer produces the wheat and takes it to the loading platform or to the country elevator, where, perhaps, he sells it to a track buyer or to the country merchant. If he sells it, of course, he loses all interest in that wheat, further than delivering it to the track buyer or to the country elevator; but if he keeps it he retains his interest and handles it through a commission merchant. About 50 per cent of the wheat of the West is sold outright by the farmer to the track buyer or to the country elevator so that 50 p.c. of the wheat of the West is of interest not to the farmer, but to -the wheat merchant, the elevator company, and the other buyers of wheat. After the wheat leaves the country elevator it starts on its journey to the head of the lakes, Fort William or Port Arthur. The train stops forty minutes at Winnipeg, long enough for a sample to be taken, and the sample is inspected and the grade of the wheat given from that sample. Then the wheat goes to the head of the lakes and from there is shipped to England, 65 per cent going via United States ports.
In regard to an appeal board, which is the point I am speaking of in these resolutions, I am going to deal with it as briefly as I can. I have discussed -the matter with grain merchants, farmers, the representatives of farmers' organizations, and with all those who deal in the wheat of this country, and they all agree that an appeal board is badly needed at -the present time. In the past when a farmer was not satisfied with the grade given to his wheat at Winnipeg he asked for an appeal, and that appeal was put before the survey board at Winnipeg, which was made up of a number of wheat merchants, at their head being Mr. Searls, who is also at the head of the Inspection Department at Winnipeg. So, in a sense, the same -man who made the original inspection of the wheat judged his own work and decided whether -the wheat deserved a higher grade or not. The price of that resurvey or appeal was $3; whereas in Minneapolis, Where they have an appeal board such as the hon. minister is suggesting by these resolutions, they only charged up to 1918, $1, and they have 40,000 to 60,000 appeals per annum there.

The only question in dispute in regard to the appeal board is its location; that is, as to whether it goes to Winnipeg or to the head of the lakes, and that is the question that I wish to particularly touch upon. On June 11, this resolution was introduced by the hon. Minister of Trade and Commerce, and at that time it read: "That the offices of the said board shall be in the city of Fort William, Ontario." That continued on the Order Paper for some ten days, and then, on June 21, it was changed to read: "The offices of the said board shall be in such place as the Governor in Council may direct."
The reason I believe that originally Fort William was named as the proper place for the appeal board was that the Department of Trade and Commerce had received from their advisors, that is the Board of Grain Commissioners who supervise the handling of the grain crop, the advice that the proper place for the location of that board was at Fort William. Besides the fact that it so appeared on the Order Paper, the other reason why I state that is because I happen to have a copy on my file of the original alterations to be made in- the Grain Act, which I got some months ago, and at that time Fort William was- named as the proper place to locate the appeal board.
Now, I wish to place upon Hansard very briefly the reasons why I believe from a broad Canadian standpoint-not from a localized Fort William standpoint-that the offices should be at the head of the Lakes. I would not advocate this if I thought it were not the right place of location, for the reason that if the offices were placed at the head of the Lakes for a year, and that was found to be unsatisfactory, it would be only a matter of a year, or less, perhaps, before the location would- be changed, so that the condition of my constituency would be worse than it was in the first place. Therefore I am going to give a number of good reasons why I think this appeal board should be located) at the head of the Lakes.
In the first place, Winnipeg as a grain centre is an exchange only; it neither mills, nor ships, nor stores wheat, that being done at the head of the Lakes. When we speak of the wheat handling market of the world, we usually think of Chicago, which has 80 elevators with a capacity of 55,000,000 bush-els-Minneapolis, which is the greatest milling centre in the world, has 59 elevators with a capacity of 53,000,000 bushels, only two million bushels less than Chicago. Whereas Port Arthur and Fort William have

32 elevators with a capacity of 52,000,000 bushels, practically the same capacity as the 80 elevators in Chicago, or the 59 elevators in Minneapolis. I might mention in passing that the elevators at the head of the Lakes are the most modern and best type and have a much greater percentage of fireproof construction than the American.
Sixty to ninety per cent of the wheat of Western Canada passes through the elevators at the head of the Lakes. In 1915
280,000,000 bushels- out of 360,000,000 bushels, or 79 per cent, passed through those elevators.
Xhe second reason is that very often the original sample is not satisfactory to the farmer or to the other owner of the wheat, because as I stated before, not only is the farmer interested, but the owner of the wheat in the shape of the country elevator man and the grain merchant. He may desire a fresh sample to be taken. As the train only stays forty minutes at Winnipeg, the fresh sample has to be taken at the head of the Lakes. That sample has to be sent to Winnipeg to be put before the appeal board, and that means that the car could not be emptied into the elevator, and therefore would have to- stand on the track, and there would be demurrage charges and loss of time in respect of the equipment in these resampling cases.
The third reason is this. Supposing a boat was loading with wheat at the head of the Lakes from one of the elevators, samples of the wheat are continually being taken from the spout, and if the sampler decides that the wheat is not up to the grade called for he shuts off that spout, and that dispute has to be settled before the boat resumes loading, or they have to change the bin until they get a satisfactory sample, or the boat might have to go to another elevator. But there is also the possibility that the ship might be held up for some hours, even for some days, if the sample was to go to Winnipeg. However, that difficulty might be overcome by letting the boat load under dispute and settle the question at the unloading point. But at times the boat might be delayed, but if the Appeal Board was at the head of the Lakes the matter could be settled in half an hour and the boat go on loading. I understand -from grain merchants in Duluth that that is the system there; because the Appeal Board at Minneapolis is divided into two groups, one at the loading point, Duluth, and the other at the elevator centre, Minneapolis. Delays of equipment, either of boats or of cars, at a busy season is a
matter seriously affecting the wheat dealers of the West, because the great rush is on between October and December to get the wheat crop out. Therefore, if these cars or boats are delayed, it means injury to the wheat dealers of the West.
A fourth reason is that many cars are marked " Too full to sample." In the case of oats, all the cars are too full to sample; they are sampled and inspected at the head of the Lakes. But of the wheat a fair percentage of the cars, I understand, are marked " Too full to sample," and they pass on and the original sample is taken at the head of the Lakes. The argument for the placing of this Board of Appeal at Winnipeg is that the original sample would be used. But the farmers are not going to permit a condition to exist under which the system in force in the United States in that regard is better than the system followed in this country. I understand that they are going to demand the privilege of asking for a new sample if they so choose. The placing of the Board of Appeal at Winnipeg might result in some advantage so far as the use of original sample is concerned, but it must be remembered that a freight car takes three or four days to pass from Winnipeg to the head of the Lakes, and that the sample would cover the distance in twelve or fifteen hours by express, arriving at the head of the Lakes in advance of the original car of grain and in time to permit examination and the settlement of the appeal before the grain would be ready to be emptied into the elevator, and in re-samples. Fort William has all the advantage of the argument.
A fifth reason is that at the head of the Lakes the grain is transshipped from car to elevator and then back to car, or from car to elevator and then to boat; whereas sampling is the only thing done at Winnipeg. At the head of the Lakes the wheat is weighed, cleaned, stored, transshipped and finally inspected and hospitalized; that is, the hospital elevators sometimes deal with it to take care of diseased and unclean wheat.
A sixth reason is the fact that under the Grain Act of 1912 the Grain Commission is established at Fort William, and the Appeal Board should logically be at the same place.
A seventh reason is that the Grain Commission have advised that Fort William should be the headquarters of this Appeal Board.
An eighth reason is this: The matter has been taken up with leading railway officials of the West, and many of them have given



me their opinion verbally that it would be more advantageous to have this Appeal Board at the head of the lakes. I am going to take the liberty of reading a few words from a letter written by one of these officials. The letter is a personal one and I shall not give the name of the writer, but I shall be glad to give it to the minister privately if he wishes me to do so. This gentleman, who is one of the well known railway men of the West, says:
My personal opinion of the matter, from a transportation standpoint, is that railway equipment will not suffer as much delay if the Board of Appeal is located at the head of the lakes as. it would if it was located at an inland point.
I have another letter from a railway man which expresses somewhat the same view, although not quite so strongly.
I have also a number of letters from farmers' organizations expressing their views on this subject. Possibly some of the representatives of farmers in this House may not agree with the view which I am advancing; hut many representatives of farmers' organizations have gone on record as favouring the location of this Appeal Board at the head of the Lakes. I am going to read just a few words from one or two of these letters.
This is from the United _ Farmers of Alberta, Ardrossan, which I quote, from a letter dated June 10, addressed to their member in this House:
We, therefore, point out to you the following points, which we want you to impress on Parliament to the hest of your ability when the matter is brought up:
1.	That the farmers have the right to call for new sample.
2.	That the Board of Appeals should ibe located at the head of the Lakes to save delays to equipment and demurrage charges, which finally will be assessed to the farmer.
I have another letter from the United Farmers of Alberta, Cheadle, dated June 10, addressed to the secretray-treasurer of the Fort William Grain Exchange, who sent them a circular setting forth the facts in connection with this matter. It says:
I wish to state that this local received your letter all O.IC. and that the members were quite in favour with the points brought up that the farmers should have the right to call for new sample, and' that the Board of Appeals should be at the head of the Lakes Instead of at Winnipeg if it will save'demurrage or delay to the return of the cars. I am also writing our member asking him to keep this in mind.
Here is another from the United Farmers of Alberta, Tealholme, dated June 4th:
We are also writing our representative in the House of Commons by this mail to make use of all his influence in providing a Board of
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Appeal for the western farmer at the head of the Lakes.
I have also on my file here-I shall read only a few words from each-letters from a number of prominent grain dealers in Western Canada dealing with exactly the same point. The first is from the N. M. Paterson Grain Company, signed by Mr. Paterson himself. This is a firm which has 67 country elevators throughout Western Canada, and which is member of the Winnipeg Grain Exchange and of the Fort William and Port Arthur Grain Exchange. Mr. Paterson says:
My own experience has been that the delay to cars held up for survey or final inspection, is in most cases in excess' of eight days.
With the Appeal Board, the proposition is simply that this board be located at Fort William. A 'dispute arising as to the grade, simply means that as the grain is in Fort Wiliam, under load either for eastern shipment or has arrived from the west, a sample can be drawn and the grade definitely decided in the matter of half an hour, thus releasing the rolling stock and facilitating business in the way it should be done.
If this Appeal Board is not located at Fort William, the value of it is lost as the condition then, will be no different from the present survey and all the work of having this arrangement put in effect will have been for nothing.
The next one is from Davidson and Smith, another large firm of grain dealers in the West. They say, among other things:
However, apart from the above, we honestly believe Fort William is the only logical point for an Appeal Board. Compare for instance the United 'States-every grain shipping centre there has its own Appeal Board: Kansas City, Chicago, Minneapolis, Duluth, New York City, each has its own Board of Appeal located within their limits. This would go to show that the Appeal Board is usually located where the grain is actually handled and where the members of such board can obtain independent samples and have full supervision over the grain in dispute.
They close by .saying:
Our firm would greatly appreciate anything you could do to have the Appeal Board established at Fort William, yet in urging this, we would again mention that our Principal Office is at Winnipeg, and our only reason, therefore, is a desire to preserve the effect we hope for in the establishment of such a board. Fort William is the logical point; it is the point, where the grain is actually handled; it is the point where the grain can be sampled, re-inspected and appealed without any unnecessary delay.
I have another letter from the Dwyer Elevator 'Company also members of the Winnipeg Grain Exchange and of the Fort William and Port Arthur Grain Exchange in which they very strongly advance the ^same argument; also a letter from the Bole Grain Company, in which they say:

Concerning the Board of Appeals. The location of this body in Port Wiliam is really one of the most important features of its usefulness. If the chief reason for its existence is policy, probably other places of larger population would have stronger claims, but you are too well acquainted with the objects of this board to require your attention to be drawn to the fact that its usefulness depends absolutely on the speed and aocuracy with which they can do their work. It would be obviously impossible to get as satisfactory a despatch if the board is located away from where the grain is actually handled.
In closing they say:
In conclusion, you can readily see that the usefulness of the Board of Appeals depends entirely upon its being located where the grain is actually handled.
I have read these extracts from leitters of farmers, grain merchants, and transportation officials in order to show that they strongly favour the placing of this Board of Appeal at the head of the lakes. I am arguing in favour of this step purely from a standpoint of utility, and not at all because of purely local reasons. Of course, living in Fort William, * I would desire to see the board there anyway, hut I submit these arguments from the broader standpoint and because it would appear that the most useful place for the board would be at the head of the lakes. I wish to quote one or two statements from a book written by Mr. Piper, of the Winnipeg Grain Exchange. Mr. Piper is one of the prominent officials, if not the head, of the Empire Elevator Company of Winnipeg. They have an elevator in Fort William, but they are not members of the Fort William Grain Exchange. In this book, which is entitled "The Grain Trade of Western Canada," he says a few things which are apropos. He says:
Fort William-Port Arthur is a real terminal, as here lines of commerce converge, lake and rail meet, and bulk is broken. Here is grain tarnsferred from train to boat or train to train. It is a natural transfer point. The grain here has a value, for here, for the first time, it is in a commercial position for consumption or immediate forwarding to final point of marketing.
Then he says, on pages 127 and 128, of his book:
These qualities cannot be transferred from Fort William simply (by building elevators elsewhere.
Then a little later on he says:
Fort William is a natural market. Because of the geography of our country and the resulting locations of our principal trade routes, the natural point of delivery for purchasing and selling grain is Fort William-Port Arthur.
Therefore, we find the peculiar situation and the only one in the world where a large public marketreferring to Winnipeg.
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-for dealing in grain is situated 400 miles away from the elevators or warehouses where the grain itself is stored for delivery.
Fort William and Port Arthur terminal elevators receipts are accepted by banks as best possible security.
I have concluded all I wish to say and I simply hope I have made it more or less clear to- the Acting Minister of Trade and Commerce (Mr. A. K. Maclean) that when this question is finally settled-as I believe it is his intention now to leave this matter to the Governor in Council-he will take these statements into consideration and not allow Winnipeg, unless it can prove that it is the better spot, to surpass Fort William's interest -and the country's interest generally in the location of the Board of Appeal.


Mr. STEVENS:: My only possible excuse for addressing the committee on this occasion in regard t* this resolution is that on at least six former occasions I endeavoured to bring before the House certain facts on a resolution and each time I was asked by the minister to let it stand. While I shall not go into the matter in as much detail as I had intended, nevertheless, I think, in considering this resolution, there are certain facts of which the committee should he seized. The only point in the resolution to which I wish to draw the attention of the committee is contained in clause 3, which says:
"If a surplus amount of the grain received in the elevator is found in excess of one-half of one per cent of the gross amount of the grain received in the elevator during the crop year, such excess surplus shall be sold annually"-
And so forth. This clause is supposed to deal with one of the most flagrant abuses of the Canada Grain Act and one of the most pernicious practices indulged in by the terminal elevators at the head of the Lakes, but.it does not deal with that abuse at all. To permit the one-half of one per cent amounts to legalizing overages in terminal elevators instead of making them absolutely and entirely illegal. In order that I may make my explanation and remarks as brief as possible, let me say this: that these overages are simply quantities of grain which are improperly and illegally docked or deducted from shipments of grain sent to the terminal elevators, and while not in every case does it come out of the exact shipments of the farmer, yet in the long run, the practice really means that the pioneer shipper, the farmer in the country, is the one who suffers. As a matter of fact, I might draw the attention of the committee-and they can readily figure this out for themselves-to this significant

fact that by allowing one-half of one per cent, the quantity mentioned in the Bill, you are allowing elevators, such as the Canadian Pacific Elevator D, to take on an average of several years, an overage of $100,000 a year, the Eastern elevator, $110,000 a year, the Empire elevator, $160,000 a year, the Fort William elevator, $110,000 a year; the Grain Growers' elevator, $110,000 a year, the Western elevator, $125,000 a year. These figures, I have computed from an average of a number of years. Some years there would he more, other years less. I shall give some actual examples in a moment of the nature of this abuse.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: I am very sorry to interrupt the hon. member. It is necessary, in order to permit the joint conference between the Commons and the Senate to take place upon the Railway Bill, that the committeee now rise and report progress.


Henry Herbert Stevens: I should just like to say to the minister that this is the seventh time I have been prevented from discussing this matter.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: In a few moments, the hon. member will be able to resume. It is not my fault that I had to interrupt.
The committee rose and reported progress to take up procedure as to a conference with the Senate.



CONFERENCE WITH THE SENATE. ON AMENDMENT TO RAILWAY ACT AMENDMENT AND CONSOLIDATION BILL.

Edgar Nelson Rhodes: The time appointed for the conference of the two Houses to consider certain amendments made by the Senate to Bill No. 19, (Letter A of the Senate) to consolidate and amend the Railway Act, having arrived, the clerk will read the names of the members.
Mr. W. B. NORTHRUP, M.A., K.C., Clerk of the House, then read the names of the managers of the conference, as follows :
Me&siieurs Bristol, Bureau, Cahill, 'Gaidar, Henders, Bemieux, Mowat, Reid (Grenville), Rowell, Sinclair (Antigonish and Guysbor-ough), and Tweedie.


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: According to ancient practice, which has come down to us from the British Parliament, it has been the custom' to suspend the sitting of the House during the proceedings of the conference, but I should like to point out that this practice originated when time was not of

such value as it is at present, and when the business of the country was conducted in a much more leisurely fashion. No useful purpose would appear to be served by suspending the sitting of this House while the conference is in progress, and I am, of course, within the judgment of the House, but I submit that it would be better for us to start on a new road and to establish a practice of our own, which would permit business to be carried on while such a conference is taking place.


Mr. ROBB:: I suppose it is well understood that this will not create a precedent for future years.
Mr. tSPEAKER: That is just what it would do.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: I think it is very desirable that this House do create <a precedent that public business be not suspended merely owing to the fact that a conference upon a public Bill is necessary between hon. gentlemen representing this, House and hon. gentlemen representing the Senate. Mr. Speaker has made it perfectly clear that he desires to establish ,a new precedent, and I think the reasons he gave for that are well founded, and I hope the House will accept them.


Jacques Bureau: The reasons may be well founded, but there are alsd certain objections. Supposing a member appointed to take part in this conference is interested in the resolution which is before the House. He must do either one of two things-: He must either abstain from attending the conference, or abandon the work which he is doing in the House. The rule was not based, as seems to be the impression, upon the fact that Parliament had plenty of time and that time was not as precious in those days as it is now. My opinion is that it was to guard against such a case as I have mentioned. An hon. member appointed to the conference might be put in a position where he is discussing some matter in this House, and where his absence from the House might prejudice him, and where his absence from the conference might also prejudice him. He would then be in a most embarrassing position. It happens that today the matter does not present itself in that light, but I think my hon. friend, the chief whip of the Opposition (Mr. Robb), is right when he says that we ought not to create a precedent because to-day it happens that no member who is on the committee takes any special interest or has any special duties to perform in what is going on in the House this afternoon. Let this

pass to-day, but let it not be a precedent. I do not think the reasons put forward by the Minister of Trade and Commerce could stand. We are asked to pass upon this on the spur of the moment and I would not like to pronounce myself in regard to changing a standing rule of the House without going into the matter very fully.- For today, I have no objection.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: I should like to point out to my hon. friend that the reason he assigns against establishing a precedent, namely, the undesirability of preventing hon. members of the conference committee from attending to public duties, does not hold good because at present the practice is to allow committees of the House to sit while the House is in session.


Jacques Bureau: That is not the same
thing. This is an extraordinary proceeding. Two or1 three sessions have passed without such a conference as this being held.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: The theory upon which the House adjourned on the occasion of such a conference was that both bodies of Parliament were together in conference, although, as a matter of fact, represented by members of each body. If hon. members are of the opinion it should be "declared that it will not be regarded as a precedent, there would be no objection.


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: Perhaps I should point out to the House that I made my previous statement in the belief that it would be the part of wisdom to establish a new practice to obtain in the future, and, I might add, my information is that it is the intention to carry out this course in another place. In my previous statement I was submitting the matter to the judgment of the House, and if hon. gentlemen who have objected persist in their objection there will be no alternative for me but to be bound by the rule and declare the sitting suspended.


Jacques Bureau: I did not object to the course being taken to-day, and I desire to be clearly understood. The matter under discussion seems to require the presence of members who are on the committee, but there may be other occasions when the same circumstances will not exist. I do not object to the House going on sitting while the conference is on, but hereafter if the House continues sitting while members are away important matters may be discussed here and those who are absent will be unable to consider them. It might therefore be necessary in future, in order to allow certain members to take part in discussion
before the House, to adjourn while a conference is on. Some of the leaders of the parties might be interested in a discussion at the time. What I object to is having this established a precedent. I do not suppose that any injury will be occasioned if we go on now, but we should not take this fact, that we are sitting while the conference is on, as constituting a precedent.


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: I take it to be the judgment of the House that we shall proceed with the business of the House and that our present action is not to be construed as a precedent. The motion is that I do now leave the Chair for the House to go into Committee again on resolution No. 31 on the Order Paper.


[Stage Direction]
Motion agreed to.

[Stage Direction]
The House resumed in Committee on resolution to amend the Canada Grain Act, chapter 27 of the statutes of 1912, Mr. Boi-vin in the Chair.
Mr. HENDERS:: Mr. Chairman, I am directly interested in this resolution. I would like to have an opportunity on the ' second reading of the Bill to present my views on this matter to the Committee.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: The hon. member will have ample opportunity on the second reading of the Bill.


Henry Herbert Stevens: May I resume the remarks which I was about to make when I /was interrupted? I was at the point of giving to the members a few figures to show the enormous amount involved in these annual overages. In the last eight years upwards of $10,000,000 worth of grain has been illegally appropriated by the public elevators at the head of the Lake. I shall give to the Committee some figures in connection with these overages. I have the figures of all the elevators but I shall not give them all. What examples I give will apply largely to the other elevators. In regard to the Consolidated Elevator Company, the total cost of -their property was $607,000 in round numbers. They had capital stock outstanding on August 31, 1917, of $628,000, upon which only $191,000 was paid. The rest of this was made up by stock dividends of $437,200. Broadly speaking, many of the. terminal elevators at the head of the Lake have been paid for almost entirely out of overages and screenings illegally taken from shippers. They, the Consolidated Elevator, issued bonds which were redeemed by stock divi-

denis of $258,000. The elevator value was increased by $60,000 by a book entry and the real estate increased by $61,900 by book entry and ten years' tax exemption granted by the generous city my hon. friend (Mr. Manion) represents, capitalized at $37,000 or a total of $160,000. To cover this credit of book entries they issued stock dividend of $159,600. This concern covered all this enormous surplus, which from year to year added to the capital of the company, out of overages. The Empire Elevator Company's situation is similar. They have a capital stock of a million preferred and a million common, and bonds of $375,000, practically all redeemed. These bonds were guaranteed by some other elevator companies. The cost of plant, however, represented in this $2,375,000 of capital and bonds is only $559,000. This elevator company I think was combined with the Thunder Bay Elevator Company, which had a stock of 5,000 shares preferred and 5,000 shares common. The stock outstanding in September, 1910, was $168,000, and stock dividends used in redeeming bonds amounted to $198,000. Then they sold out to the Thunder Bay Terminal Elevator Company for $775,000 in stock, the new company assuming $200,000 bonds. I want to <$11 attention to some of the earnings. The combined earnings in 1912-13, amounted to $357,500. I am giving these figures in round numbers.
1912-	13	$357,5001913-	14	
424,9001914-	15	
134,7001915-	16	
474,4001916-	17	
546,100
Now I ask the committee's particular attention to this: The comparison of the earnings of this plant is on a basis of one million bushels capacity for which is allowed operating capital of $50,000 per million bushels capacity, giving the following figures:
1912-	13	
28.50	iper	cent.1913-	14	
83.88	"	"1914-	15	
10.75	"	"1915-	16	
37.82	"	"19-16-17	
43.54	"	"
Average earnings, 30.80 per cent.
Now take, for instance, the gyain growers' elevator operated by the Grain Growers' Grain Company, and I am just citing these figures to show how this pernicious practice has even dragged into line a company which virtually organized to do away with this practice. In other words, early in the organization of the grain growers, my hon. friend, the former Minister of Agriculture (Mr. Crerar) found that there was an injustice being done to the farmers. He himself, I remember on one occasion, drove up 
with a load of grain to an elevator and was docked, I think something like two or three per cent, for some unknown reason. This roused his ire and others had similar experiences, so they organized the company. The company without any question desired to rectify these abuses, but once they got into the swim of things we find that they have been guilty of the same practices as the other elevators. The United Grain Growers' Company show overages in value for instance, as follows, I am giving the dollars:
1912- 13	$ 7i2,000
1913-	14..	..	..	33,0601914-	15	
54,0001915-	16	
94,0001916-	17	
132,000
The figures for the last two years I have not under my hand, but I understand they were along the line of the increasing ratio.
Now just a few figures regarding the earnings of this company. These earnings are all based upon the capital basis which has been applied to all these cases by a committee of expert auditors who investigated the matter. They allowed the elevators $50,000 for each million bushels capacity. The 'Grain Growers' Company rent the elevator, I think, from the Canadian Pacific for which they paid the company, if I remember rightly, $68,000. Anyway, they paid a rental equal to about six per cent on the capitalized value of the elevator. Now omitting screenings and overages this company earned in those five years an average of 7.73 per cent, which is a very reasonable and fair earning. Adding the screenings, but excluding the overages, they earned 11.81 per cent on'the average of five years. Including the screenings and overages, the earnings were 18.85 -per cent. The point in all these figures that I have given is the abnormal earnings of all these elevators because of the screenings and the overages which they illegally take from the farmer. And why do I say "illegally?" Because in the Grain Act, I think in clause 126, you will find it clearly set forth that wherever dockages- are made for screenings the elevator company shall account to the shipper, the owner, or the farmer for them. Now, as a matter of practice, it was found by the auditors who investigated all these companies that they never did notify the shippers of these screenings or dockages except when it was demanded of them, and they knew nothing about wfiat the overages would amount to until they weighed up at the end of the year and then made the discovery, and of course they did not know to whom they be-

longed. These overages occur largely out of dockages made in the way I have mentioned.
Now, I want to draw the attention of the committee to the returns secured by the Grain Growers' Company-I give their figures as a sample, and I have others as well -on the capital invested.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: What is the name of that elevator?


Henry Herbert Stevens: The Grain Growers' Grain Company, I think they call it now the United Grain Growers. I am under the impression that it is Canadian Pacific Railway elevator No. D. Now the company in 191617 earned a total of something like $446,000. The operations of the elevator yielded $238,000; screenings, $51,000; overages, $156,900, The expenses were operating and management, $136,000; depreciation, $29,000; and rent, $68,000 Deduct $234,000 expenses from the earnings of $446,000 and we have a net result of $212,000. Now it must be remembered that the working capital estimated by the experts as being needed for this elevator was $100,000. Of course, the Grain Growers' Company may say this is not a sample of their general business, but in all these calculations the same operating capital has been allowed by the experts, -which in this case gives earnings of something like 211 per cent. In connection with its operations this company, in common with all other companies, sold grain on option before the overages actually occurred. In other words, they anticipated that overages would occur and they sold, or dealt in grain stored in their elevators.


Mr. CRERAR:: Will the hon. gentleman state what proof he has of that statement?


Henry Herbert Stevens: I have an audited statement, in my hand which was laid on. the Table a couple of months ago, and which I had an awful time getting from the minister who has charge of this Bill.


Air.  A. K. AIACLEAN@: I do not think so.


Henry Herbert Stevens: Well, I had to dodge about quite a bit before I got it, but I thank the minister for his courteous treatment of me in the long run. I find that this company lost in options in the year 1916-17 the sum of $24,055. This amount, of course, is added to the expenses and deducted from the earnings leaving something like a profit of 187 per cent on the operation of that elevator. This is not an abnormal profit for elevators. This is the profit which all the other elevators shared in and it was not peculiar to the Grain
Growers' elevator. For instance, we have the Port Arthur Elevator 'Company which has overages of $185,000, $51,000, $50,369, $112,716, and in the year 1916-17 overages to the amount of $388,000.
Now, what I want to get through the minister's head is this: He is putting in the Bill one-half of one per cent of the amount of grain handled through these elevators as a cure for these abuses. My point is that not only should we prevent these elevators from carrying on these abuses and keeping these overages, but that every dollar taken out of overages for the last five years contrary to the Grain Act should be paid back into the treasury of Canada either for distribution to the proper owners or, if that is impossible, to. be used for the public welfare.


John Archibald Maharg: Will the hon. gentleman permit me a question?


Henry Herbert Stevens: One at a time.


John Archibald Maharg: What would you do in the case of a shortage?


Henry Herbert Stevens: My hon. friend advances an argument, which is the only argument that is presented from time to time: What would you do in regard to a shortage? As a -matter of fact, shortages occur only in very few cases and are deducted from the total overage. I have not the " red " figures, as they call them, but the allowance for shortage is mighty small. The point is this : the large elevator could so operate as not to create either a surplus or a shortage. It may be that we have to make some small allowance for that; but what I am complaining of is that one-half of one per cent will virtually perpetuate the abuses'" which have been continuing for the last seven or eight years, and it is altogether too much. If you allow anything at all, one-tenth of one per cent would cover it very easily, or more than cover it. I ask the minister, therefore, that before he insists upon the quantity fixed in the Bill going through he should put some good actuary to work on these figures and let him figure the percentage. Any good accountant would come within a few bushels of what is necessary to protect these companies against the possible shortage which, by the way, rarely occurs.
Now I wish to point out this: Another practice carried on by all the elevators-
I won't say all of them, but by a good many of them-at the head of the lakes is this, they pay their officials a bonus on the amount of overages created in these elevators from year to year. I do not like to

use strong language but after studying the matter with the utmost care I see nothing for it but to say that the bonus is given for the dishonest handling of the grain in these elevators. There is no man who studies this case carefully but must be convinced that these overages are abnormal, that they are unreasonable, and they are utterly unfair to the shipper. And when I find one company paying six officials an average salary of $7,000 a year-some get a little more, and some a little less-or a total of $40,000 in salaries and bonuses, that is altogether out of proportion to the business of the elevator. This practice is a pernicious practice. It has been indulged in for a very, considerable time and we, as a Parliament, owe it to the shipper, to the farmer, and to the dealers of the country that it should be stopped absolutely. Had I had the privilege of moving a resolution which has been on the Order paper ever since the session opened and to which I endeavoured to speak half a dozen times, I had intended to move that these elevators should pay back to the owners, or pay over to the exchequer of the country, the amount of overages accumulated during the last four or five years. I am not going to delay the House with any further lengthy remarks in connection with this subject, because the session has now reached so late a period that I would not be justified in doing so. I have merely cited a few figures from the report of this special committee of auditors. The Government has this report in its possession and it would take very little effort to work out what is necessary to cover any possible shortage. Certainly, to make the figure one-half of one per cent is simply perpetuating the abuse which has been carried on for a number of years, instead of making that abuse illegal. If I had my way I would make it a very serious offence to retain any overages, and also do everything possible to reduce the overages which have occurred, as they have occurred during the past few years.


Mr. MORPHY:: The hon. gentleman
stated that the dividends paid by this company, I have forgotten to whom-were apparently seven per cent, but on many transactions they had a percentage of 211 per cent pn capital invested. Do the hon. gentleman's figures show what became of that surplus? Who got that very large amount?


Henry Herbert Stevens: 'I presume that went
into the general fund of the company, I could not tell the hon. gentleman that.
I might explain, Mr. Chairman, that 
these figures are the figures of a special committee of auditors appointed by this Government, under an Order in Council, to investigate all the terminal elevators at *the head of the Lakes. Now that my hon. friend has reminded me of it, I might say that a proposition has been before this country for years that the Government should take over and operate these elevators. It has been a subject of comment not only regarding these elevators, but with respect to privately owned elevators that they have been used during the past few * years to increase the cost of living. Now regarding what my hon. friend says, all the elevators referred to have been computing their earnings, and so forth, on a systematic basis. They have allowed for each elevator a working capital of $50,000 per million bushels capacity, which is considered by them after careful investigation to be ample. Now in the case of nearly every elevator I find in analyzing these figures that the elevators have either paid the whole, or a very large proportion of the total cost of their plant out of these earnings extending over a period of from seven to eight years. In the case referred to by my hon. friend, and which I dealt with a moment ago, the Grain Growers Company, they operate in a very large way all over the country and have many different branches, but the operation of an elevator is quite a simple process to figure put. They rent an elevator and *pay $68,000 for it. The commission .of expert auditors allowed them ,$50,000 per million bushels capacity, as they do in every other case, or a total, I think, of $100,000 working capital upon which, of course, interest is allowable, but the earnings of the elevator, taking out your expenses-rental and so forth-and leaving them with a working capital of $100,000 was, as I have said, 187 per cent after deducting the lossses on options on the market, and of 211 per cent without these losses.
Mr. ORER.AR: The subject that is under discussion this afternoon is one of very great interest to the country-in fact, this is applicable to anything that has to do with the handling of the grain of Western Canada. I followed with a good deal of interest the remarks of my hon. friend from Fort William (Mr. IManion). I think he raised no objection to the amendments to the Grain Act, which are now under the consideration of the committee, excepting the point that the Board, of Grain Appeals should be located in the city of Fort William. It may be of interest to members of

the House, who are not, perhaps, closely familiar with the methods of handling our grain, to give a word of explanation as to what is really intended by the amendment to the Act providing for a grain appeal board. Our grain handling system in Canada is, I think, without exception, the best method of handling grain that can be found anywhere in the world. The foundation upon which it is largely built is our grain inspection system, whereby
4 p.m. the grain, as it comes from the farmer's hands, is inspected, classified accordingly, and sold abroad on the inspection certificates of the chief grain inspector. Now the chief grain inspector is located in the city of Winnipeg and all the members of his. staff are there. There are subsidiary branches at Eort William and Port Arthur at the head of the Lakes, and in Calgary, Moosejaw, and, I believe, in Saskatoon. The inspection system as we have it to-day depends almost entirely on the eye test of the inspector. Provision is made for taking a sample of grain from a car that is shjpped, in such a w-ay as to ensure that it will be a fair average sample of the car. That sample is taken to the inspection department, passed upon by the inspection officials, and the grade given to it, and that grade governs, It has happened in the past that deficiencies or defects occasionally arose in that system, and to further improve it the proposal has been introduced into these amendments to the Act providing that a Board of Grain Appeals shall be formed to which there may be an appeal taken from the decision of the chief grain inspector in respect to the particular grade that may be given any car of grain. This has worked out very successfully in Minneapolis, and I am free to say that our farmers in Western Canada have asked pretty insistently for this for several years back.
Now the point my hon. friend from Fort William (Mr. Manion) makes is that this Grain Appeal Board should be located in the city of Fort William. My contention is that it should be located in the city of Winnipeg for the reason that the sample upon which the inspection is first made is taken either in Winnipeg or before the car reaches that point. Here the sample is passed upon by the chief inspector or hi3 officials in Winnipeg, and consequently if there is to be any value in a Board of Grain Appeals that board should be located at the point where the inspection is made. It is not intended that fresh samples shall be drawn from ears, otherwise there is no
need for an appeal board. The very intention and purpose of this legislation is that there shall be an appeal from the judgment of the chief grain inspector, or his officials, upon any particular sample of grain that a farmer or dealer might wish to have referred to the Grain Appeal Board. Consequently, that being the case, the Grain Appeal Board should be located where the sample is first secured and where it is readily available.


Robert James Manion: The hon. gentleman knows that in Minneapolis the Board of Appeal have provided for a fresh sample. He objects, at least I take it from his remarks that he does, that a fresh sample is not necessary in Canada. Is that the hon. gentleman's contention?	'


Thomas Alexander Crerar: I was just coming to that . point. There may be an occasional case where it is necessary to secure a new sample from the car. In such cases I will admit the hon. gentleman has a valid argument for locating the Board of Grain Appeals at Fort William, but I say that such cases will be very rare. I believe that in Minneapolis in actual experience, and in Duluth also, that has proven to be so.
We will probably further improve our existing system by providing for duplicate sampling of cars, which obtains now in the Minneapolis market. Outside of this, the hon. gentleman from Fort William had very little criticism to offer of the amendments that are proposed by the Acting Minister of Trade and Commerce.
I wish now to say a word or two as to the observations of my hon. friend from Vancouver (Mr. Stevens) who has, I am very glad to say, suddenly developed an alarming interest in, and friendship for, the prairie farmer. The hon. gentleman has not always exhibited that interest in the welfare of the prairie farmer, and naturally I am delighted to see such a manifestation on his part.
His criticism was directed mainly against what he called overages in terminal elevators, and concerning which there is a provision in the amendments proposed by the hon. minister. I regret that, perhaps for lack of time, the hon. member from Vancouver did not stated the facts altogether correctly to the Committee. I at once acquit him, let me say, of any desire to intentionally mislead the Committee; but his study of the question, Mr. Chairman, has been very elementary indeed, and he has simply picked out of a report here and there a few facts upon which he bases general conclusions that are entirely misleading.

Terminal elevators are warehouses, and, consequently, are supposed only to store grain for shippers and customers. But every man, Mr. Chairman, who knows anything at all about the handling of grain knows this fact, that you cannot operate a terminal elevator or a country elevator or for that matter any other elevator, where grain is handled in bulk, and have your outturn correspond identically with what you put into the elevator. That is an absolute impossibility. The Grain Act provides, and very properly so, that the owners of terminal elevators shall be responsible, as warehousemen, for every bushel of grain that is put into them. They have got to account for it. Not only that, but the provision is so strict, Mr. Chairman, that under regulations of the Board of Grain Commissioners for every car of grain unloaded into a terminal elevator there is issued what is called a terminal elevator warehouse receipt. That receipt is registered in the registry office of the Board of Grain Commissioners, and when so many bushels of any particular grade of grain are shipped out of the elevator, warehouse receipts corresponding to that amount have to be surrendered to the registry office of the Board of Grain Commissioners in order that they may keep accurate and absolute tab on the proceedings.
The.hon. gentleman (Mr. Stevens) made the statement that these overages have been illegally taken. I would just point out for the information of the Committee, that those overages have been taken with the knowledge and approval and consent of the Board of Grain Commissioners, the body created under this Grain Act to especially regulate the handling of grain in this country. If illegal why has the Board permitted it? I will tell you in a moment why they did it. Consequently when the hon. member for Vancouver leaves the impression on this Committee-as I think he did this afternoon;-or, at any rate, it was the only inference that could be drawn from his remarks,-that there has been a condition of affairs in Fort William approximating robbery, he is leaving an impression that is altogether contrary to the facts.
I stated a moment ago that it is impossible to operate an elevator, whether at Fort William, in the country, or anywhere else, and have your out-turn correspond exactly with what you. put in. That is a well-known fact. I have stated also that the owner of a terminal elevator warehousing grain is responsible for every bushel of grain that goes into that elevator. Not only so but he is responsible for every

bushel of grain of a particular g-ade that goes into the elevator. In other words, if I, as a terminal warehouse man, put 100,000 bushels of No. 1 Northern grain in my bins and if the inspection has been any way lax, the inspection department has for example allowed more moisture in the grain than should be permitted for No. 1 Northern, and the grain goes out of condition, I nevertheless am responsible to the Board of Grain Commissioners for 100,000 bushels of No. 1 Northern, and in that event I have to go into the open market and buy the grain necessary to make up the deficiency. Those are facts that were not stated by the hon. member for Vancouver in presenting his so-called facts, and in order to get an impartial survey of the situation they should be stated.
Now, how do the overages arise? Naturally, when the superintendent of an elevator is conscious of the fact that his elevator is short on any grade at the end of the season, or it is short on the total amount of grain put in, and his company has to go into the market to buy that grain to mane up the deficiency, he uses every precaution to insure that his elevator comes out right. When discussing this matter with the Board of Grain Commissioners years ago I stated to them, "You guarantee me against loss from shortages in my elevator, and you can have every bushel of surplus. But as long as the elevator warehouseman is placed in the position that he must make good every bushel of shortage that occurs in his elevator, then you cannot justly take away from him the right to participate in any surplus there may be." And that principle, Mr. Chairman, is recognized in the whole administration of the Grain Act, not only in the operation of elevators in the country but everywhere else.
Indeed, it is a comparatively easy matter to secure a surplus in an elevator if your handling is large. The hon. gentleman- I do not know what his motive was- directed particular attention to the Grain Growers' elevator in Fort William. I may say that in one season when- the crop was large we handled 28,000,000 bushels of grain through that elevator, and the amount of profit-to which the hon. gentleman has referred, I was going to say, pathetically, or at least in a tone of voice that indicated his extreme interest in the matter-[DOT] amounted to only a fraction of one cent per bushel on the stuff handled. The rather harrowing inference that the hon. member threw out in his remarks, that the making of this profit added to the cost of living, appeared to me to be ridiculous, and would

appear ridiculous to the hon. gentleman himself if he gave the matter a little thought.
I commend the step that is taken by the Acting Minister of Trade and Commerce in the amendment which he has brought down; and it may be that the existing system is not an ideal one. My own view is that the Government should frankly guarantee the elevators against shortages, place them upon such a basis that their remuneration shall toe confined to the cash tariff that they charge, and then appropriate the surplus. But that throws the risk of shortage in the elevator upon the Board of Grain Commissioners, and that is a risk that they very naturally do not wish to assume. Moreover, if these surpluses are entirely taken from the elevators, unquestionably it would mean an advance in the handling charge from three-quarters of a cent a bushel to at least li cents a bushel. In no grain handling centre in North America are the rates for the handling of grain through terminal elevators as low as they are in Port Arthur and Fort William.
As to the question of screenings, I regret that the member for Vancouver did not state the facts clearly. It is true that screenings come from the cleaning of grain, but there is a regulation of the Board of Grain Commissioners that where more than 3 per cent of screenings is cleaned from a farmer's car, the grain merchant handling the screenings has to make a separate return to the farmer for the value of them. Only in cases where the percentage of screenings taken from the car is under 3 per cent is no. return made.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: Is there any regulation in the Grain Act respecting surplus of grain which corresponds to that with regard to screenings which go back to the farmer?


Thomas Alexander Crerar: There is no such provision, because in my judgment, and, I am sure, in the judgment of the Grain Commissioners, it would toe impossible to work out any regulation that would permit that. A small allowance per car is made for loss in unloading-an allowance of 30 pounds per car ' for invisible shrinkage-and a portion, at any rate, of any surplus the elevator secures comes from that source. But a separate return is made for screenings where the screening is over 3 per cent, and in that case a charge is made to the shipper for cleaning the grain. The tariff for receiving grain in the elevator, unloading it, elevating it, binning it, and shipping it out again
if shipped within fifteen days, is three-quarters of a cent per bushel. In cases where a separate return is made for screenings an additional cleaning charge is made, but where no separate return is made for screenings-that is, where the screenings are under three per cent-no charge for cleaning is made. In other words, the elevator operator takes the screenings as his pay for cleaning the grain; and that practice has prevailed all down through the years. I quite appreciate the fact that there is possibility of an abuse growing up in this regard. But if the Government is not prepared, through the Board of Grain Commissioners, to assume the responsibility for any shortage that may arise in these elevators, then in my judgment the minister is taking entirely the correct course in permitting the elevator to rdtain a small portion of any surplus that may arise.


Mr. KEEFER:: With regard to the question where the Board of Appeal should be located, I cannot agree with my hon. friend (Mr. Crerar) that because the first inspection takes place at Winnipeg, and because that is where the chief inspector resides, the Board of Appeal should be located there. As a matter of fact, the chief inspector used to be at the head of the Lakes and should be there now; he should not have been taken away to Winnipeg. The business is all done at the head of the lakes. It passes through Winnipeg, and if there is any dispute about the quality of the grain a neiw sample should be taken. The car is only a short time in Winnipeg, and the sample may be defectively drawn; the only procedure that is fair to the farmer is to resample. But the cars stand on sidings at Port Arthur and Fort William, and there is delay incidental to that rolling stock. If the minister will consult the convenience of the railroad people and of the public generally he can come to only one conclusion, and that is that the Board of Appeal-as the Board of Grain Commissioners did recommend- ought to toe at the head of the Lakes; that it ought to be at Fort William. I may tell the minister that when Port Arthur and Fort William unite on a thing, it must be right.
Then, there is the question of overages. The minister is to be congratulated for cutting down these overages to at least one-half oJ one per cent. I was hoping, to use a vulgar phrase, that he would "go the whole hog." If a return to the elevator company of three quarters of a cent a bushel is not

sufficient to provide for any falling off of the grain, increase that amount, but let us be fair and square with the drain Act, which makes it absolutely illegal for terminal elevator people to deal in wheat. Yet, by virtue of the method which we have been pursuing, we have, in an indirect way, been giving the elevator people the right to take at least 3 per cent of the carload, clean it over again, and get that much to the good.


Thomas Alexander Crerar: If the practice is illegal, why has it been permitted bjr the Board of Grain Commissioners?


Francis Henry Keefer: I do not say that it is illegal; if it was illegal, it would have been stopped; but it is contrary to the underlying principle of the Grain Act. It has been held by some judicial twist of some person to be legal1, but it is contrary to the underlying principle, namely, that those terminal elevators should not speculate in wheat.


Thomas Alexander Crerar: They do not.


Francis Henry Keefer: They should handle the grain from the shipper and send it on its way to the market. What is going to be the effect if you abolish this overage and dockage? These terminal elevators, with the exception of three or four, will go out of business, and they will all become private elevators. They will all at once begin to deal in wheat as they ought to be doing, as hiany private elevator companies are doing there, buying wheat from sample and grading it as they can and selling to a mill as they do at the place where the wheat finally reaches in England. That would be a benefit to the farmer, who will get more for his wheat when a sample market is established. The grain can be worked together, and perhaps a better price can be obtained, ajid he will not lose his dockage of 3 per cent. Private elevator men would buy the whole carload and they would be all competing one against another, so that the hon. member for Red Deer (Mr. M. Clark) would have the principle he has advocated so strongly for, namely, free trade.
The question of screenings has been a continuous source of trouble -at the head of the lakes. If the screenings are to go 3 per cent up, to the owner of the elevator, there is an interest there that should not exist. If the elevator owner is paid simply the price he ought to be paid for cleaning the wheat a great deal of controversy will be removed and possibly a desire to get ahead of somebody else.
[Mr. Keefer.)


James Alexander Robb: When the Acting Minister ol Trade and Commerce brought in his resolution this morning I could not but think that he was introducing this proposed legislation under duress, having in mind the statement made during the Budget debate by an hon. member from the West, that they had put the gun up to the Minister of Finance and compelled him to create three new government positions. We gather now, from the debate, that there are two interested parties; we have, first, Fort William and Port Arthur, which apparently are united in a campaign to open this new office in the twin cities. They are doing that upon instructions from their Board of Trade, because I hold under my hand- and I suppose every hon. gentleman has a copy-a circular letter put out in May by the members of the Fort William and Port- Arthur Grain Exchange urging the passing of this legislation. The Committee will note that no person has as yet made any real complaint against the present system of the Board of Appeal. The hon. member for Marquette (Mr. Crerar) has given his blessing to the idea of this new board, but he has made no real complaint against the present system of appeals. The hon. member for Fort William and Rainy River (Mr. Manion), if I understood him aright, stated that the Board of Appeal was constituted by certain members of the Winnipeg Grain Exchange. If that were correct, it would not be an ideal system, but my hon. friend is apparently wrong in his information. Article 102 of the Manitoba Grain Act provides that the Survey Board shall consist of twelve members, six of whom shall be appointed by the Board of Trade of Winnipeg, two by the Minister of Agriculture of the province of Manitoba, two by the Minister of Agriculture of the province of Saskatchewan, and two by the Minister of Agriculture of the province of Alberta, so that one-half of the members of the Grain Board are appointed by the Ministers of Agriculture of the three provinces which are particularly interested in grain. If there be anything wrong with those six gentlemen, if they have not the proper qualifications, then the remedy should be with the Ministers of Agriculture of the several provinces. My hon. friend from Fort William and Rainy River advances an argument in favour of locating at Fort William and Port Arthur, because he says that the milling is all done there, and that there is no milling at Winnipeg. As a matter of fact, there is a larger milling capacity at Winnipeg and St. Boniface,

I think, three times the capacity that there is at Fort William, where there is only on* moderately-sized flour mill, the Ogilvy flour mill.


Robert James Manion: There are two statements which the hon. member made in which he misquoted me, and I know he has no intention of doing so. He said that I stated that the present Appeal Board-really it is a survey 'board-is comprised of members of the Winnipeg Grain Exchange. I did not mention the Winnipeg Grain Exchange. I said that the appeal was put before the Survey Board at Winnipeg, which was made up of a number of Winnipeg merchants, at their head being Mr. Searls. In the second place, I did not say there was no milling at Winni-[DOT] peg. I simply said that, as regards handling shipping and milling grain, there were better facilities at the head of the Lake* than at Winnipeg.


James Alexander Robb: The inference is that the
hon. gentleman tried to create the idea that the Survey Board was comprised of Winnipeg Grain Exchange men. As I was proceeding to say, there are large mills at Winnipeg. There is a large mill at St. Boniface, a large mill at Keewatin and a large mill at Kenora. I am not going to enter into an argument as to whether this board should be at Winnipeg or Fort William. My contention is that it is an unnecessary expense, that it is creating three jobs for some people. I do not know who are making applications for these jobs, but I should like to point out that it is contended that these three gentlemen should be expert grain men. That was the -contention when the members of the Board of Grain Commissioners were appointed, but }vho were appointed by the Government of which Sir Robert Borden was the Prime ^Minister? The Government appointed Mr. .Staples, a very good fellow. -Everybody who sat in this -House with Mr. Staples liked him very well, bu-t he was an ardent politician; he played the game fair and played it for all it was worth. He never pretended to have any expert knowledge of grain except that he was a good farmer. Then they appointed Mr. Leslie Boyd, another good chap. He was a lawyer of the city of Montreal; he was President of the Conservative Association, and, I think, once or twice he was a candidate for the Conservative party. Those were the qualifications of these expert grain men. Having that in mind, I wonder who is going to be appointed this time-. Will it -be an expert grain man? Will it be a man who is experienced in law or in theology? I do not know.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: The Bill will provide that he will be an expert in regard to grain.
Mr. R'OBB: Will he be an expert in law or theology or grain? If the -Government are not satisfied, if there is complaint against the present system of the Appeal Board, ithat is to say, six members appointed by the Winnipeg Grain Exchange, the handlers of the grain and six members appointed by the Ministers of Agriculture of the three .Prairie Provinces.
Would it not do to appoint this grain commission as appeal board ? They have not very -much to do and no one will accuse them of being overworked. We are told they are expert grain men, and as their offices are in Fort William that will satisfy gentlemen there and add no more expense to the country. I am opposed to the resolution because it is imposing an unnecessary burden on the people. There is a suspicion that the real intention is to gratify the ambitions of Fort William, on the one hand, and on the other to -create good fat jobs for friends.


John Archibald Maharg: Let me assure my hon. friend (Mr. Robb) that the people who are asking for this are not holding a gun at anybody's head. They have been trying to get this thing done for the last five or six years. The people who produce the grain that furnishes the business for all these elevators are the ones with whom this idea originated, and not the people of Fort William, Port Arthur or Winnipeg, or the Winnipeg Grain Exchange. The president of the Winnipeg Grain Exchange was sitting in the gallery this morning and I had a long talk with him. They are not asking for the board, and may have even told the minister that perhaps it is unnecessary. So that if is not the grain interests that are seeking this. As a matter of fact, they would probably get along better without it. The people that are asking for it are the producers of grain, in order that they may get a fair deal in the grading of their grain. The grain will have to carry the expense. If a car is appealed, the appeal is charged against that car, whether it belongs to the farmer or to the grain dealer. The revenues of the country will not therefore be taxed to pay for these charges, and the business in this respect will be self-sustaining. There can therefore be no objection on the score of charges.


James Alexander Robb: -Suppose the inspection is so satisfactory that there are no appeals, who pays?


John Archibald Maharg: Well, that is why we are [DOT] asking for this board. The difficulty is that the present board is entirely too cumbersome. There are twelve men, who the hon. member for Vancouver said were Winnipeg Exchange men. They are Winnipeg Exchange men, and they are the only men who could effectively deal with the business. It would be inadvisable to appoint any man to come from outside of Winnipeg, because you would have to pay a special salary to him, and he would have to be there all the time. The only way in which the business can be conducted is to have members of the Winnipeg Grain Exchange who are accustomed to dealing in grain. These men have to be got together and as they are all busy men attending to their own affairs it is hardly fair to ask them to leave their business at a time when minutes may mean thousands of dollars to them, and where it is important to sell grain at the proper time. A man may have brought 50,000 or 100,000 bushels of grain the day before and have to dispose of it within a certain time, and time means a good deal in these circumstances. Another circumstance in connection with the matter is the fact that men do not like dealing with grain that may belong perhaps to their fellow members. There may come before them samples from friends or even their own grain and they do not like the embarrassment this causes. We want an absolutely independent board that will have no interest in any one car of grain that comes before them, men who will not be permitted to deal in grain or handle it in any way privately. It will be for the board to make such charges as will render the work self-sustaining. I visited Minneapolis on different occasions and the system there worked perfectly, and we appealed to the Government years ago for the establishment of a similar board at Winnipeg. As to the location of the board the consensus of opinion favours Winnipeg. We have our own farmers1 organizations in the three western prairie provinces and they have been looking after the affairs of those provinces in all these matters, and they also have their own two companies, which are the largest initial grain handling companies in the world. The Saskatchewan company is only a few years old but it handles 25 per cent of the entire grain produced in Saskatchewan. They have been able successfully to handle their own business on a fairly favourable basis and we believe that we have men who understand the grain business as thoroughly as those in any of the other companies. I have no particular 
interest in Winnipeg, except that we have commission officers in Winnipeg and have our terminal elevator. I am not speaking on behalf of Winnipeg, or Fort William, or Port Arthur. We have far more interest in Port Arthur than anywhere else, we have a million dollars there where we have not ten in Winnipeg in so far as real estate is concerned. If we were considering our interests in so far as property is concerned We should speak of Fort William or Port Arthur, where we have our investments. But we are not looking at it in that way. We have studied the system throughout and have considered the system in Minneapolis as well and we have come to this conclusion, without a dissenting voice, we also claim that the men who produce the article which is going to be inspected, and who pay for the charges should at least have some say as to where the operation shall take place. Primarily they are the only people interested and it is only reasonable that they should study their own interests and make recommendations as to where the board should be located. The managers of our companies who are not shareholders, at least so far as the Saskatchewan company is concerned, have no hesitation in saying that the board should be at Winnipeg where all the inspection is done. We are given to understand that sample markets will be established in Winnipeg and that being the case, samples will be taken outside of Winnipeg, just as is done in Minneapolis. Samples will be forwarded to Winnipeg by express in most cases, and the inspection can be done; and in case it is necessary to resample, if it cannot be caught at Winnipeg it can be caught at Fort William. There is an erroneous impression that where an appeal is called for it is necessary to resample the car. That is not the case. It simply means a disagreement with the man who has inspected that particular sample of grain, and the sample will go to the Board of Appeal,


Robert James Manion: In Minneapolis could not the farmer ask for a re-isample, and-is that not what you advocate in Canada?


John Archibald Maharg: Any farmer can ask for a re-sample of a car if he wishes, but that-has not been the case very often in Minneapolis, where they have two sampling bureaus. They have one which is maintained by the government and one by the trade itself, and they check up one with the other. We are asking now for duplicate sampling at Winnipeg to obviate as much as possible the re-sampling of cars. Altogether,

we are perfectly satisfied in our own minds that Winnipeg is the logical place for the Board of Appeals to be constituted.
I do not think I need touch upon that any farther because I think it should be patent to every one that the producers of the grain who furnish everything in connection with the elevators should at least have their interests considered. There is one other point in connection with overages that I want to touch upon. The committee wants to bear in mind that the terminal operators have absolutely nothing to do, one way or the other, with the weighing of the grain. The Dominion 'Government weigh the grain into the elevators, weigh the grain out of the elevators, inspect the grain into the elevators and inspect the grain out of the elevators. The terminal operator has absolutely no responsibility as to the weighing or grading of the grain. If the Government do not take sufficient dockage on the grain, it is their fault and not that of the terminal operator. He has to go by instructions laid down by the Government both as to grade and dockage. There might be the inference that probably the Government are not careful enough in their weighing. I would not make that assertion at all because I think the Government are as careful as they e<m be and I do not hesitate to say that it would be absolutely impossible to bring an elevator out even. In an operation covering 300 elevators, we have never yet been able to bring an elevator out even. We will have one with a big overage and another, a few miles away, with just as big a shortage.
The hon. gentleman said that he understood that these operators were paid a bonus according to their overage. I hate to take up the time of the committee but I hate to let that go unchallenged. It is only in connection with our country elevators that this bonus is allowed. We have not been operating our terminals long enough to establish a precedent or to form a basis for future action because we only got this system in operation last season and it has been in existence for too short a time to enable us to come to a definite conclusion. This season we will be in an entirely different position. With regard to the bonus we have established there are five or six different points that count favourably or unfavourably to the operator. Accuracy of weight is one and that is the only point that I shall deal with. Accuracy of weight counts twenty points. If a man has got 100 bushels of an overage and another man has got 100 bushels of a shortage, they are both dealt with exactly in the same way
in so far as the amount of the bonus is concerned. The man who gets 100 bushels of an overage does not gain one iota on the man who is 100 bushels short. I might say that we have discharged men for having large overages. While we have not discharged one for shortage where we have discharged two for overages. That is not the basis we adopt. We adopt the basis of actual, square dealing. The same thing applies exactly to the grading of the grain; we desire to secure accuracy in grading. The man who gains grades does not gain one cent by way of bonus over the man who loses grades. They are dealt with in exactly the same way on principle so that in so far as our country elevators are concerned the statement of the bon. gentleman is absolutely erroneous. That is not the basis that we follow at all.


Mr. ALLAN:: What do you bonus them for?


John Archibald Maharg: That is a question that we may differ upon. We thought it would be a good thing to bonus these men to promote' efficiency. We bonus them for efficiency and what we base our bonus on principally is accuracy. The number of complaints from individuals that an operator is doing business with would be one of the things that would be taken into consideration. Another point is the giving of satisfaction generally to the community as a whole but the whole thing hinges on efficiency all the way through and no man gains on account of gaining on his grades or having overages. The man who gains on his grades or has overages is dealt with exactly the same as the man who has a shortage or the man who loses grades.
I do not think I had better take up any more time in dealing with that point; I think it has been fairly well covered. But there is one other point. One hon. member used the expression "in the interest of the public." I do not know what he meant, the public who are interested directly in the operation of these elevators are the producers of the grain. If a large overage is taken, it is just that much taken from the producers of the grain. They are the people who are directly interested in it. I do not think a fraction of one per cent per bushel would affect the consumer very much and, while I am on that point, I may say for the benefit of the minister, that I fully agree with him in fixing the amount of the overage that the elevators shall retain. I would go a little further and adopt the recommendation of our company, which is one of the largest handling companies, that the over-

age be not more than one quarter of one per cent. We originated these companies to regulate the grain business. Because the company of the hon. member for Marquette made large profits, that is nothing for which you can censure them or us. They are in that business and if they did not take the grain out of the screenings and get all they could out of it, for their shareholders, they would be derelict in their duty. They would not have done their duty if they had done differently. That is where a large per cent of your overages come from. If the hon. gentleman had gone to the trouble of looking up the returns of the Canadian Pacific elevators, where they do not reclean their screenings, he would have found that they have no overages. Am I right in that?


Thomas Alexander Crerar: In one year they had a very large shortage.


John Archibald Maharg: In the case of the Canadian Pacific, where they do not scalp their screenings; os they call it, they have had a shortage and in no year have they had very much of an overage. The fact that the Grain Growers' Grain Company produced an overage is something for which they surely could not be condemned, because they were in it for their shareholders, whose business it is they are largely occupied in doing, and which they were in duty bound to do. They recleaned their screenings and that is where their overages largely come from. If you want to turn your screenings over to other companies with a certain percentage of the farmer's grain in it, those other companies will get the advantage of it. By the way, most of the companies mentioned by my hon. friend from Fort William (Mr. Manion) were not public terminal elevator companies at all.


Robert James Manion: I did not deal with the elevator companies.
Mr. MAHARG; But you read communications from some of the elevator companies.
Mr. (MANION: Yes, I beg your pardon; I thought you were speaking of overages.


John Archibald Maharg: I think I am correct in stating that two out of three of these companies are not public terminal elevator companies, that they are conducting private terminal elevators and it is impossible to know if private terminal elevators have an overage, as they are not asked to register.


Robert James Manion: I did not discuss the overage question at all. I was speaking of the Appeal Board and presenting the argument

of the elevators that the Appeal Board should be at the head of the lakes.


John Archibald Maharg: Quite so. But I want to make it clear that these are private elevator concerns that you quoted from except one. Now, I want to go a little bit farther and point out that even if you are only going to allow them one-quarter of one per cent you will not accomplish your end there for the reason that 'that one-quarter of one per cent will not exist.
I know just about what the elevator companies will do. If they get $19, $20, $25 or $30 a ton for screenings, they are not going to go to the trouble to scalp those screenings to get the grain out of it in order to turn it over to the public funds. Make no mistake about that; they can control it on the inside so that when it comes to fixing one-quarter of one per cent the Government will not accomplish what it expects to.


James Alexander Robb: This is a question on which I want to get some information. I am not sure whether I understood my hon. friend to argue that the only people interested in the overages were the producers. Is that right?


John Archibald Maharg: Yes, they are primarily the people interested in the overages.


James Alexander Robb: Well, suppose that an elevator takes in-100,000 bushels of wheat and ships it east to a flour mill in Ontario and the flour mill is 5,000 bushels short. Is that in the interest of the producer or the miller?


John Archibald Maharg: As I said a minute ago the Government weighs the wheat in and *weighs it out. The operator of the elevator has nothing at all to do with the weighing in or weighing out of the wheat-or the grading of it. That is a government matter purely and simply. They have their men there all the time and there is no scale that is allowed to be dumped without their inspectors seeing it.


James Alexander Robb: I knorw that, but who is interested in the ishortage, the producer or the miller?


John Archibald Maharg: The terminal elevator will have to make up that shortage. As the hon. member for Marquette (Mr. Crerar) said, in the case of every car of grain that goes into the elevator a warehouse receipt is issued for the number of bushels according to the grade the inspector says they shall be, and if the terminal elevator operator at the end of the season has

not sufficient grain to fully meet the requirements of these certificates, then he has got to go on the market and purchase grain to make up the shortage. So that in the case spoken of the elevator man would be the one to make good the 5,000 bushels shortage.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: If this Bill has done nothing else, in my opinion it has shown the great necessity for some new method of handling the grain trade. The hon. member for Maple-Creek (Mr. Maharg) took occasion to say before concluding his remarks that this was largely a matter of interest to those directly connected with the grain trade. I am not interested except as a citizen of Canada, and I have been rather painfully struck with the disclosures which have been made here to-day in regard to the handling of the grain as it affects the farmer or the producer. The hon member for Vancouver (Mr. Stevens) has given figures extending over a series of years, taken from official documents, and has made the point that out of the farmers of the West for the years he mentioned tens of millions of dollars have been, as he said, illegally taken by these elevator companies and grain growers elevator companies-, which have been defended here so warmly to-day by the members for Maple Creek (Mr. iMaharg) and Marquette (Mr. Crerar). I was very much struck with the fact that although both these members have sidestepped as to the gravamen of the charge made by the hon. gentleman from Vancouver (Mr. Stevens) neither of them have attempted to deny the figures that he placed upon the records- of this House, or the charge that by 'the principle upon which these elevators operate in dealing with the farmers millions of dollars which 5 p.m. belong to the farmer have been taken from him. I think it was a case where, if possible, a good defence ought to have been made in the interests of the members of this House who are connected with elevators or elevator companies, but so far the impression created by the hon. member for Vancouver is still on my mind. What I deduce from the debate is that the farmers, after three per cent of their screenings is taken from them, get the rest back. I asked the hon. member for Marquette if it were so why they -did not get the wheat back. It appears they give the farmer back the refuse but they do not give him the solid stuff; and thus tens of millions of dollars are gathered up and gar-251
nered in by the elevator companies at the expense of the farmers who sell grain to them.


Thomas Alexander Crerar: The gentleman is -quite wrong in the position he is taking. With respect to the surplus screenings over three per cent there is a definite return made to the farmer for the value they can be sold at in the open market. The screenings under three per cent are taken in lieu of a cleaning charge by the elevator. If the value of these screenings were returned to the farmer the elevator company would simply have to add an additional half a cent per bushel for the cleaning, of the grain.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: I was proceeding to say that this peculiar fact stands out: the point was clearly made by the member for Maple Creek that if a farmer sends- a surplus of 500 bushels he gets no credit for it in the shape of good grain. Although it belongs to the farmer it is absorbed by the elevator company. That has not been explained in this House, and it seems to me that some explanation should be forthcoming. As I take it, if the farmer is short in his weight he loses. The elevator company docks him for that shortage unless it is clearly attributable to some defect in the car. If the farmer is short in his weight I am informed by one who knows that he is charged for that in some of the elevators. Whereas, if there is a surplus the elevator company gets the benefit of it. Therefore the farmer loses in both ways-; he loses when -he is short and he loses when he is long. I do not see how this can be reconciled, and it strikes me that it is time some legislation was passed to deal with this matter. I am not in favour of the Bill as I see it. I think the principle of the Bill is right, but when T see this in par. 3:
If a surplus in any grade of grain is found in excess of one-half of one per cent of the gross amount of the grain received in the elevator during the crop year, such excess surplus shall -be sold annually by the Board- of Grain Commissioners and the proceeds thereof paid to the said board. Such proceeds shall -be applied towards cost of the administration of The Canada Grain Act in such manner as the minister may determine on the approval of the Governor in Council.
I am disappointed. I am informed when Farmer A sends a carload of grain into the market through the -elevator channels it is ear-marked; the elevator operators know that it is his grain. If he is 500 bushels long by -mistake, I do not think the Government has any right to the money



as an overage in connection with the transaction. There cannot be $10,000 000 worth of overages in these grain elevators unless the operators know where it originates, especially when it is shipped in carload lots, for the wheat is ear-marked, it is tabbed, it belongs to Farmer A or to Farmer B, and I do not think that the Government or the elevator companies have any right to the over plus that is sent in through mistake.
I did expect a better defence from those interested in elevators in reply to the allegations of the member for Vancouver. It may be of no direct interest to many hon. members by reason of their not being connected with the trade; but if his allegations are true, they shock the moral conscience of every man professing to be dealing fairly and squarely. I ask those interested in the elevators: Where has that $10,000,000 gone, where are the surpluses shown in the elevators of the companies mentioned by the hon. member for Vancouver, companies with profits of 211 per cent? They only paid the farmer-shareholder seven per cent. What has become of the rest? It seems to me that that question ought to be answered. Let us have statements from the hon. gentlemen, let us have the truth, so that we may see whether the high cost of living is related to the wheat taken from the farmers which the elevator companies did not pay for.


John Archibald Maharg: I am not interested in the surpluses or dividends of the other terminal elevator companies. In so far as we are concerned, we have not made any. We only handled a small amount through our terminal elevator last year-not enough to base any figures on.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: How about the other companies that have?


John Archibald Maharg: I cannot speak for those other companies.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: Yes, you can.


John Archibald Maharg: No. What I said was that our company was brought into existence as a regulator; that is the position we take. For the information of the hon. gentleman,-and probably there are present some of the older members who were in the House at the time,-but if the late Sir Richard Cartwright was here he could tell all about the fight that the farmers put up against the terminal elevators ten, twelve

or fifteen years ago. We have been scrapping those elevators from their inception. We had to fight the whole elevator interests of the North American continent, and three or four of our farmers who had never been off the land had to come here to Ottawa and scrap with them. We asked the Government to take over the entire system of terminal elevators, but the late Laurier Government could not see their way clear to do so; they thought control -by a commission would, be the proper way. We eventually induced the late Conservative Government to start a programme of Government owned elevators to regulate the other elevators.
One of the speakers on this side of the House said, "Why not let the Grain Commission perform the service that you ask this appeal board to perform?" The Grain Commissioners are not expert grain men, they are an administrative body, and I venture to say that not one of them would pose as a grader of grain.
Some hon. members appear to have been terribly shocked at what has been disclosed here to-day. I can tel-l them something that will give them a still greater shock. When Mr. C. C. Cassel came along on one occasion unexpectedly and locked up all the elevator bins, he found that several hundred thousand bushels of low grade grain had mysteriously disappeared, but Nos. 1, 2 and 3 grades sliowed a corresponding increase. That is what we have been up against all the time, and we would have been tickled to death if the Government had taken over those elevators and operated them. But we had to build our elevators in order that w'e might arrive at a proper basis for dockage, overages, screenings, and the like, and since our elevators have been in operation we have reduced the amounit of screenings reclaimed from 5 to 3 per cent. We wanted the Grain Commissioners to reduce it to 2 per -cent, but the elevator operators said, "No. If you reduce it below that you will have to give us an additional charge."
The Canadian Grain Commission fixes all the charges of the terminal elevators for elevating, cleaning, drying, or whatever it may be-all those charges are regulated by the Grain Commissioners, so -that in a measure the charges are controlled. But it is the overages where the shoe pinches, and that is what we are endeavouring to get the Government to regulate.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: Can the hon. gentleman suggest any way by which the honest farm-

er can get his share of the overages that have been stored up by the elevator companies?


John Archibald Maharg: Yes, but I am afraid that the method of operation would be so cumbersome that there would be nothing left. The only way that could be done would be at the end of the year to take the overages in. any one elevator, keep track of the different grain that came in from the farmers to that elevator, and then rebate to them proportionately their amount of the overages.


Mr. A. R. MACLEAN:: It is usually the grain dealer's wheat that goes into the elevators?


John Archibald Maharg: About 50 per cent of it on the average is grain that belongs to the elevator companies; that is, grain the title of which has left the hands of the farmer either at the local elevator or on the track. So that really the grain trade owns about 50 per cent of the grain that reaches the terminal elevators.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: I thought it was 85 per cent.


John Archibald Maharg: No. It is 85 per cent on the other side of the line. That is the way it works with our elevator company, and I imagine it would probably work similarly with the others. The hon. member for Perth North (Mr. Morphy) spoke of farmers shipping long or short. For his information, I might say that there is absolutely no such thing as a farmer being either long or short on his wheat when it goes into the elevator.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: Is not that affected by the dockage that the grain man takes without consulting the farmer?


John Archibald Maharg: That is at the initial point. If the committee is not wearying I shall be very glad to give this information. That leads me to another point. You are referring to the grain of the farmers that may have been sold at the other end, are you?


Hugh Boulton Morphy: No. I am referring to the fact that the farmer is skinned all the way along the line wherever his grain is handled.


John Archibald Maharg: I am inclined to agree with you that that was so until we got our own elevators. We are trying to regulate that.


Francis Henry Keefer: Are not your own companies making money?


John Archibald Maharg: Certainly. Nobody is trying to hide the fact that they are. What are they in business for? ' No company could carry on at all if they did not make some money. It is so elementary that it is patent to every one. But the money we do make is made out of ourselves-out of handling the grain of our own shareholders.


Francis Henry Keefer: Do you not take other people's grain besides the grain of your shareholders?


John Archibald Maharg: The percentage of grain from outsiders would probably not amount to more than 5 or 10 per cent. We have in the neighbourhood of from possibly 50 to 200 shareholders at each elevator, so we have practically all the people in the country interested with us, and if we do make profits it is from our own farmer friends, we take it out of ourselves. Even when we go into commercial business we are held down so that we can only sell to our own members.
, Mr. MORPHY:	Will the hon. member
allow me another question?


John Archibald Maharg: 
Georges Henri Boivin: Order. I must ask
the hon. gentleman to kindly address the phair.
. Mr. MAHARG: All right, Mr. Chairman. I am hurrying along as much as I can, I .want to inform hon. members and answer their questions. Your question was that *the farmer is being docked too heavily out of his grain at the initial elevator. That is the only place where he can be docked. Any grain he ships himself goes to the elevators and is inspected by the Government inspectors, so that it is only in the case of grain at the initial point that the farmer is affected. That was exactly the position the farmers were in before we came flown to Ottawa fifteen years or more ago to get the 'Canada Grain Act-probably longer than that. The Grain Combine was one of the greatest combines in existence. The farmers were absolutely at their mercy. The railway companies refused to take a bushel of grain from any source only through the elevators of the Combine. We
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had no protection. They graded the grain as they liked, they docked it as they liked, and they paid what price they liked. There twere absolutely no restrictions, and we were '(at their mercy. Consequently we came to pttawa and interviewed the right hon. the late Sir Richard Cartwright, and got what ,was then known as the Manitoba Grain (Act, and what is now known as the Canada (Grain Act. We have been working on that (Grain Act for years, but it has not reached perfection yet. We are trying to add something to it to-day, and we will have something more to add to it later, if we do not get it this season, in order that we may perfect it as nearly as possible. We will keep trying until we do.
We were entirely at the mercy of the elevator company, but now the farmer has protection under the Canada Grain Act-that is, if he understands his business and takes the necessary precautions. Under the present regulations of the Board of Grain Commissioners the elevators all have to retain samples of grain that the farmer sells to them. The elevator company has to furnish a small tin box; the farmer furnishes a lock and retains the key, and out of every load of grain that he brings in he can compel the elevator operator to extract a fair sample and puts it in this box; this may be done whether the farmer is selling the grain or simply having it stored. If the farmer, having delivered his carload of grain or whatever the quantity may be, is not satisfied with the dockage that the elevator man has taken from him, he may, if he is selling the grain to the elevator take a sample which is satisfactory to himself and to the operator of the elevator; that sample is sent by mail to the Winnipeg inspection office, and there is graded. The inspector at Winnipeg sets the dockage on that sample of grain, and that is the dockage that the elevator company has to set if they have purchased the grain from the farmer. I am not saying that the farmer never loses, but that is the machinery with which he may protect himself in every case, if he wishes to take advantage of it.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: May I ask the hon. gentleman to step away from-his own company and to explain these tremendous profits of 211 per cent made by other companies? Apparently there is no one here now to defend those companies. Some hon. gentleman who might do so were here, but they have left the Chamber.


John Archibald Maharg: I will explain, as well
as I can, how these elevator companies

secure these overages. As I stated, the Government weighs the grain in and weighs it out, and fixes the dockage of grain that is to be taken. If they say the grain is to be cleaned to a certain grade, it must be cleaned to that grade. If there is only a small per cent of screenings in it, they are not expected to clean the grain at all. This is one way in which they could possibly come out a little ahead,; if there is only a small percentage of dirt in the grain the elevator companies are not obliged to clean it.


Mr. McMASTER:: Does some profit come to them because they do not have to clean it?


John Archibald Maharg: Yes, if there is a small quantity of small wheat or other matter in that grain they might stand to gain on that account.	.


Andrew Ross McMaster: How?


John Archibald Maharg: Because of not having to clean the grain. If the grain showed only a small amount of dockage it is possible that there is where a fair proportion of the overage comes in.
Mr. A. K. iMACLEAN: That is a Liverpool Grain Exchange rule, not a regulation under the Canada Grain Act.


John Archibald Maharg: It is a rule of the inspector, who is the king so far as concerns the determination of the grade, the dockages, and the like. He is czar, so to speak, also, in regard to the moisture content of the grain.
The Government may not always hold the elevatotr people down to the letter in respect to the amount of dockage that goes out in grain. If the grade is No. 1 Northern and the board permits a certain amount of dockage over and above what really should go out, then the elevator company stands to gain. But the chief source of overage is that mentioned by the member for Marquette. The Grain Board allow thirty pounds a car on wheat for invisible shrinkage; I think the rate is the same on oats, and a little more or flax. Flax, by the way, is something that you never have an overage on. If, therefore, you handle from ten to twenty million bushels of grain and get an allowance of half a bushel on each car, ten pounds or more of this may be saved to you, here you might have from ten thousand to twenty thousand bushels, which is another source of revenue.

Another thing which contributes is what we call the scalping of the grain. The elevator people have large cleaners and when they take in 150,000, or 200,000 bushels of grain a day that grain must he cleaned up very rapidly, because in order to do business successfully the workhouse must be kept clear. More or less grain always goes over in these screenings. I have on many occasions watched this operation for hours, and I know that a little grain always goes over in the screenings. These screenings are recleaned with what they call scalping machines and the grain which goes over is thus taken out. The amount of grain that goes over may be almost unnoticeable, but out of 39,000,000 or 40,000,000 bushels of grain you may get 30,000 or 40,000 bushels and hardly see these sprinklings of grain at all as they come over. I have seen these scalpers work; they may run twenty-four hours a day for ten or twelve months, and they may bring out quite a quantity of grain. It is possible, therefore, that there is a considerable overage on that account.
There is another source of overage in respect of which no accusation of any kind can be made against the elevator people, and that is in connection with mixed grain. A car may be graded mixed grain; it may be oats with ten or twenty per cent of wheat in it. All that wheat may be cleaned out, and a certain percentage of overage will be received from this source. There are a half a dozen or more ways in which a tremendous overage can be made up when there is a big turnover. Many of the elevators turn over twenty-five or thirty million bushels.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: Does the hon. gentleman attribute the making of the 211 per cent profit to overages?


John Archibald Maharg: The member for Vancouver (Mr. Stevens) dissected those profits and said, I think, that out of the handling there was something like seven per cent


Hugh Boulton Morphy: A seven per cent dividend, but 211 per cent profit.


John Archibald Maharg: I think he said that out of the actual handling of the grain-that is, the charges received for handling-the dividend amounted to something like seven per cent; the other dividends came from overages and screenings. There has been a tremendous revenue from screenings during the last few years. Screenings have been worth as much as $30 a ton; in fact, certain
kinds of screenings are worth more than the grain itself. If you are sufficiently adept in separating yellow mustard from the grain, the yellow mustard is a more valuable product than the grain itself. I do not know where the yellow mustard goes, but I know that they pay more for it than they do for the grain; so that that is another source of revenue. If immense profits are piled up, there is a dozen sources from which these profits may come and which it is almost impossible to cut off. What we have been trying to get at is to have every operation in connection with the elevator paying for itself so that the thing will stand on its own feet. If this was the case they would not have to say: If you cut down our screenings, you will have to let us make a higher charge for handling the grain.
That is what we want to do. If it costs one-half cent to put the grain through the elevator, we want to know that, and we want to have an account of every operation of the elevator. If there are drying charges, we want to know what they cost. Our elevator is constructed as a regulator, so that w,e may know exactly the cost of handling the grain. We hope to get that from the Government elevators, but we have not been perfectly satisfied, and we have put in our own elevator and we are putting a hospital elevator alongside of it. I will give an illustration to show what it means to have one's own elevator. We were handling grain for our shippers at the terminal elevator; we had one car of wheat -sent down to us last fall, and our salesman on the Winnipeg Grain Exchange offered that car for sale. He was not satisfied with the price that he was offered for it, as he did not consider it to ibe anything like what he should have received. While we have not the machinery in our large handling elevator to handle this grain continuously, yet we took in this one particular car of grain as this was such a glaring case of unfairness, and our operator decided that he would handle this caT through our elevator, which was not built for that purpose, but which by working slowly and interfering with our other work, could handle it. To put the matter short, the net difference between the price offered for that oar and the price received for it, after we had separated and sorted it for that farmer, was a litle over $600. One can readily understand, therefore, why I say that we are constructing this elevatoT as a regulator.
Resolution reported and concurred in.

Hon. A. K. MACLEAN thereupon moved for leave to. introduce Bill No. 153, to amend the Canada Grain Act, founded upon this resolution.


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Motion agreed to, and Bill read the first time.


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Major-General MEWBURN (Minister of Militia) moved the second reading of Bill No. 137, to amend the Militia Act.
Rodolphe Lemieux: Explain.
Major-General MEWBURN: One of the amendments is in connection with section 24 of the Militia Act which reads:
There shall continue to he a permanent force which shall consist of such permanently embodied corps', not exceeding five thousand men, enrolled for continuous service, as are, from time to time, authorized by the Governor in Council.
The proposed amendment is that the word "five" be struck out and the word "ten" be substituted therefor, so as to provide that the permanent force shall consist of such permanently embodied corps, not exceeding 10,000, as are, from time to time, authorized by the Governor in Council. The permanent corps t-o-day consists of an establishment of 5,000 of all ranks, and it has been felt that authority should be granted to increase that force as circumstances may require. It is noit the intention to increase up to that number at present, but it may be necessary in the near future to add to the present permanent force in a reasonable way as may be deemed necessary.


Rodolphe Lemieux: What does the minister call a reasonable way?
Major-General MEWBURN: I should say in the neighbourhood! of 7,000 men at present. I do not know that it may not possibly be advisable to add to the force a small flying corps. At the same time, fit is not considered advisable to embody permanently a flying corps of any size. Probably one squadron would be sufficient, which could be utilized for defensive purposes if required, and which would be very valuable in connection with some of our commercial industries. It has also been considered advisable, in fact, I have recommended that one cavalry regiment be

added to the two that exist at present, namely, the Royal Canadian Dragoons and the Stratheona Horse. I would strongly urge and recommend the addition of another cavalry regiment, the Fort Garry Horse at Winnipeg. It may be considered advisable to add one infantry battalion to the permanent force, but as yet no definite decision has been reached. This leaves it to the Governor in Council to determine as to increasing the force up to 10,000, if required, and I would not urge it at present unless an emergency arose.
, Another amendment is in connection with section 53, subsection 2 which provides that fhe Governor in Council may, from time to time, fix the sums to be paid to privates in the permanent corps, having regard to .length of service, good conduct and efficiency. It is proposed that the following jwords be struck out:
but the ordinary pay shall not exceed the amounts following, that is to say:
For privates, per diem, 75 cents.
For buglers under 18 years of age, per diem, 40 cents.
i Section 54 of the Militia Act reads:
When on active service, during the period of annual drill and training, and when otherwise on duty, the pay and allowances of officers and men of the Active Militia, other than the Permanent Force, shall be,
(a) for officers, warrant officers and noncommissioned officers, such rates as may be prescribed;
(to) for privates, at the rate of 50 cents per diem, which rate may be increased, as prescribed, up to a maximum of one dollar per diem:
(c) an allowance of a dollar per diem, or such other rate as is prescribed, to each officer and man for every horse actually and necessarily used by him.
, It is proposed, by striking out subsections (a), (b) and (c) and substituting .the words " at such rates as may be prescribed by the Governor in Council " to leave to the Governor in Council the fixing .of the pay for active militia that may be .called out for active service. It is quite *clear that we cannot maintain troops at .these old rates, and some additional amount ,must be granted for them. The pay of the Mounted Police has been increased, and we .shall have to meet that in order to fill up .the ranks of the permanent corps. If any .further explanation is required, I shall be .very glad to give it.
, Mr. LEMIEUX: iHow is the permanent icorps to be distributed?

Major-General MEWBURN:	I think it
will 'be absolutely /necessary to have U small force in every military district in Canada, the infantry being distributed pro rata amongst the military districts, together with the *mounted units and the artillery. At the present time there are the Royal Canadian .Dragoons, Lord Strathcona's Horse, Royal Canadian Horse Artillery, Royal Canadian Garrison Artillery, Royal Canadian Engineers, The Royal Canadian Regiment, and the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, which has been added to it, Canadian Permanent Army Service Corps, Canadian Permanent Army .Medical Corps, Canadian Permanent Ordnance Corps, Canadian Permanent Army Veterinary Corps, Canadian Permanent Army Pay Corps, making up an establishment of 5,000.
. Mr. LEMIEUX:	What proportion will
be cavalry, infantry and artillery?
, Major-General MEWBURN: The strength of the Royal Canadian Dragoons is only 20 officers and 359 other ranks. That of the *Strathcona Horse is practically the same. If we have the Fort Garry Horse, it will be practically the same. The Princess Patricia's is the only infantry regiment added.
Mr. ANDREW R. McMASTER (Brome): Earlier in the session when the Estimates of the Militia Department were before the House I took the opportunity to congratulate the minister upon his refusal to adopt any scheme for a permanent military establishment in Canada until the peace situation had cleared up. My disappointment therefore is very great when I see to-day that we are celebrating the imminent signing of peace by proposing to pass an Act increasing by 100 per cent the permanent land military forces of this country. It does seem to me that this matter might have been left in abeyance until we and the rest of the world could see what hope of peace and disarmament the situation holds out to humanity. The great enemy who for half a century has threatened European civilization has declared his impotence by signing a peace imposing severe and drastic conditions upon him. Under these circumstances, is it wise, is it reasonable, (when the country is overwhelmed' with debt as it is, to increase the permanent forces of Canada? I do not believe it is. I had hoped that my country, after the splendid record which it established
overseas in fighting, would be in the forefront of disarmament and progress towards peace. Why should we increase our military forces by 100 per cent? The war is over; peace is to be signed, and there is no necessity for this action. When we had a small permanent force we were able, through the courage and enthusiasm of the manhood of this country, to raise an army of nearly a half million men, and if war does threaten us again, which God forbid, surely we can rely on the same admirable qualities and heroic attributes in our race as we did before. As regards the raising of pay, I think that is only proper; but I do wish to express my profound disappointment at the step which the minister is about to take. If it is not too late I would ask him to let this matter stand for the present at least.


Mr. W. F. NICKLE (Kingston):: I was not aware that the hon. member for Brome had intended to speak on this matter, but he has so adequately expressed the very ideas that have 'been running in my mind since this Bill was introduced into the House that it becomes unnecessary for me to say very much. Before the war, I had viewed with considerable dissatisfaction, if not with some alarm, the steady increase in our military estimates, and had hoped that the time would soon arrive when there would be a stay in them. Unfortunately the war broke out and our military estimates went forward by leaps and bounds. Thousands became millions. I was* one of those who believed in the prosecution of the war, so far at least as Canada was concerned, if necessary until the last man and the last dollar, to use the popular expression, had been utilized. But I had undoubtedly hoped that when the war was over there would be a retrenchment in these military expenditures. As a member of the Pensions Committee I cannot say I view with alarm, but certainly I view with some concern, the very large amount we shall annually have to expend to meet the righteous and legitimate claims of those who have made sacrifices in the war for us, and it did come to me as a shock when the minister introduced this Bill asking for leave to increase the permanent force to
10,000	men. It is all very well to say that this merely "asks for leave" to increase the force to that number. I do not think that there are many men in this House who will come to any other conclusion than that if

this leave is obtained it will not- be very many years before ~we shall have a permanent force of 10,000 men, with all the concomitant expenditures such a force will entail. I have not that full information that I should like to have to enable me to reach an unshakable conclusion, but from what I understand at the present time I do not view sympathetically the request of the minister as contained in this Bill. The League of Nations is held out to us as an institution that will prevent wars in the future. It is quite true that by section 12, I think, of the Covenant-if it is to be incorporated in the peace terms we must necessarily adopt its principles

we shall assume certain responsibilities with the rest of the world. But if this war has demonstrated one thing more than- another, it has clearly demonstrated the fact that the hero is to be found practically under every jacket, and that when there is a national crisis men may always be called upon to respond in defence of the ideals they hold and in defence of their native land. This war has not been won by the permanent forces of the world. It has been won to a very great extent by the volunteer forces of the British Empire, and it seems to me wholly unnecessary that at this- time, with the burden of debt that we are going to be called upon to assume, and in view of the urgent necessity that exists for the best efforts of every available man to increase production, we should take from the national life 5,000 able-bodied men and impose on the country the burden of maintaining a possible permanent force of 10,000. I iquite agree with the	minister-and	when
the Bill gets into Committee I intend to direct a few remarks to that aspect of the subject-that something better must be done for the permanent force whatever its size. But I cannot allow this opportunity to pass without expressing my deep regret that the Government found it necessary to introduce this Bill asking for leave to increase the permaneent force to 10,000.


James Alexander Robb: I desire very briefly to associate myself with the hon. member for Brome (Mr. McMaster) and the hon. member for Kingston (Mr. Nickle) in protesting against this increase in our military forces at this time. Only last week we read in the public press that the United States Congress had rejected a similar proposition of the Secretary for War and reduced his estimates for the permanent forces by one-half. In view of
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this, surely it ill becomes us in Canada to increase our permanent forces by 100 per cent. I have no objection whatever to-passing what estimates the minister requires for voluntary training, but I do object at this time to doubling up our permanent military forces.
Motion agreed to and Bill read the second time, and the House went into Committee thereon, Mr. Steele in the Chair.
Major-General MEWBURN:	I quite appreciate the remarks of the hon. member for Brome and I certainly was quite clear in the statement I made when the Estimates were up. I have no great desire to increase the forces but circumstances have arisen throughout the whole country which seem to indicate an absolute necessity that Canada should have some force available for the preservation of law and order in this country.
Provision is made for 10,000 men, but the force that we propose to have immediately is a relatively very small number when you consider the length and breadth of the Dominion of -Canada. It is not the intention of the -Government to increase the force at the present time to anything like the maximum number to be provided for. I do not think the- force is increased at the present time any more than is- absolutely necessary and probably by not more than a couple of thousand all told. I am as anxious as any hon. member to keep down the expenditure, and I think my conduct has proven that that is my desire. If the signing of the Peace Treaty were going to bring peace and good will all over the world we would all be delighted. -In the United States, although I -am quite aware that there was an attempt to reduce the expenditure, there were people who thought they should havq a permanent standing army of 500,000 . The hon. member for Kingston (Mr. Nickle) says that the permanent force did- not win this war, but I would- like to know what he would say in regard to the " contemptible " little British army that took the field in the early stages- of the war in 1914. If it had not been for the. permanent force of Great Britain I do not know but that the results of the war might have -been different. In addition to that, a permanent force is absolutely necessary for the preservation of law and order in every country. I regret to have to say that I am confirmed in that belief by events that have been happening all over the world-; the troubles arising to the south of us and the troubles that are arising in

different parts of Canada. Judging by many letters I have had from all parts of Canada, it would appear as. if in some cases people are getting stampeded. I have even been told that the Government are negligent in that they have not a permanent standing army of at least 100,000 men in Canada. I received a letter from Winnipeg urging that the Government should have a permanent force that can deal with the situation there. The stand I take in connection with all these troubles is, I think, the right one. The militia is not organized at the present time, and we hope to get it rehabilitated. A committee is working now with the idea of incorporating into the militia members of the Canadian Expeditionary Force, and I am not now speaking of the permanent corps. I take the stand that in any municipality where there is trouble and where the militia have to be called out in aid of the civil power for the preservation of law and order, every citizen of Canada has the duty to perform to the State and he should link up with .the militia and do his duty. I explained to the House what took place in Winnipeg, how the militia units were filled up by the good citizens of Winnipeg commanded by commissioned and non-commissioned officers, all being enrolled temporarily for the emergency. The same thing has taken place in other parts of Canada in the west, at Toronto, Hamilton and different points.
I do not feel pessimistic about the future but I think that without any doubt I would be negligent in my duty as Minister of Militia if I did not propose that we should have some force that would be available for the preservation of law and order in the country. Taking into consideration the great extent of territory of Canada, I do not think it is an unreasonable request to ask Parliament for a mandate to increase the force to 10,000 and leave it to the Governor in Council to determine as to when that force should be increased.


Mr. MICHAUD:: I understand that before the war we had a small permanent force and that law and order throughout the country were well preserved. Now we have over 300 000 well trained men ready to take their place in the ranks at any time in defence of their country. I do not see that the country should be asked to pay for a larger force than that which we had before the war.


Sir HERBERT AMES:: I would suppose in this case that the pay and expenses in connection with these 10,000 men would have to be voted by Parliament before the force was raised; consequently, Parliament at all times has in its control the poweT to regulate the number of men in this permanent force. We are, this session, voting a certain amount for a permanent force which has nothing to do with the war appropriation. The minister can only engage a sufficient number of units to use up that money and before he can increase the force he must again ask for a grant and for the consent of Parliament; he cannot go beyond the number of men for which Parliament grants the money. By this legislation the maximum will be fixed at 10,000 men, but Parliament year after year has to ratify every act of the Government in connection therewith.


Andrew Ross McMaster: Mr. Chairman, I have listened with a great deal of attention to what the minister has said and I have noted his explanation that this increase of 100 per cent to our permanent force is due not to apprehension of outside danger but to the fear of domestic trouble. To my mind that is a sad explanation. What the minister has said shows the intention of the department. I say to this House that force is no remedy; that it is not necessary that the Canadian people should be overawed by an increase of 100 per cent in our military establishment. As was pointed out by my hon. friend from Restigouche (Mr. Michaud) we have hundreds of thousands of men who have shown their loyalty to Canada, trained soldiers, to-day in the country. Therefore, I say that this increase in the permanent force is not necessary. Is it the fact that the minister thinks that he cannot depend on these men? Surely not. I say to the minister, as I say to this Government: Trust the people; the heart of the Canadian people is as sound as our No. 1 Hard Manitoba wheat. There is no necessity for this. If there is unrest and discontent in the country, an attempt to overawe the discontented by a 100 per cent increase in our military establishment is decidedly not the proper procedure. Trust the people I say to the Government. I would urge upon them what I have already urged from my seat in this House-summon the leaders of organized labour and the leaders of the organized employers to a joint council as has been done in the Old Country. Do not wave the red flag in the face of these discontented people by in-

creasing by 100 per cent your military establishment and telling them that we need
10,000	men to keep order in Canada. When the Northwest Mounted Police was only 600 strong it kept order in the country half the size of Europe. It is not the size of your military establishment, it is not the number of your soldiers; it is the ready obedience which the people give to constituted authority that is necessary.
I would ask the minister to reconsider this matter and if he is not prepared to do *so I will take it upon myself to move the rejection of section 1. I therefore move the rejection of the clause.
. The CHAIRMAN: A motion for the rejection of the clause would not be in order. There is already a motion before the committee that the clause do carry. The hon. gentleman can vote against it.
. Mr. McMASTER: I will express my view by voting against the clause.
. Mr. MORPHY:	I apprehend that the
minister in putting forward this Bill has good reasons for so doing. The fact that he has stated .that from the West and other parts of Canada the requests which have come to him have led him to put forward the Bill is a factor that should be considered. The country is large and the number of men in proportion to the extent of the country is small. If one could rely on the opinion expressed by the hon. gentleman (Mr. Niclde) that with the League of Nations war would be at an end, there might be some reason for considering the necessity of the force contemplated by the minister, but in my opinion the League of Nations is too young yet for any country in the world to bank upon its efficacy to prevent war. There might be to-morrow or the day after a sudden upheaval which would throw the world again into war. The hon. member for Restigouche (Mr. Michaud) says that we have 100,000 men who have come through the war, but I do not think it is a very charitable proposal that we should send these men back again immediately to fight the battles of the country, whether domestic or foreign. The League of Nations is having its own troubles. We realize every day that Japan is uneasy, that there may be an attack on the integrity of 'China, that Korea is in a condition of unrest and that a conflict may break out any day. Surely we must all reflect upon the condition of things that existed before the last war. Men derided the iSea that there would be a war and it
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was scoffed and laughed at in many quarters; it was not taken seriously. At this time I rather resent the attitude of the hon. member for Brorne (Mr. McMaster) who, I think, descended just a little below his usual level when he uttered the sentiments to which he gave expression. It seemed to me to be something like pandering to politics, pandering to the w'orking classes of the country and inciting the workingman, in so far as he could do it, against the organized, executive force of the government of the country. It seemed to me that he uttered a plain invitation or incitement to the disruption of the country's affairs. Goodness knows that the unrest to-day in Canada is not necessarily a sufficient warrant for the Bill that is before the House, but it is a factor, and I do not think it is fair for the hon. member for Brome to rely upon the statement which he does rely upon that this force is for that specific purpose. The minister does not put it forward in that way, and I do not think it is fair that any member of the House should so represent it. Canada is populated by a very widely diversified people. We have sections on the Pacific Coast, on the Atlantic coast, and all over, where a force may be necessary any moment to defend the best interests of the country. Belgium with her small force of 170,000 at the beginning of the war kept the Germans back for eighteen days and helped to win the war. We must not denude ourselves of a military force in this country. When the League of Nations is formed and peace is settled and the day comes when this force can be otherwise utilized or done away with, then will be the time to take action to that end.
At six o'clock the House took recess.
After Recess.
The House resumed at eight o'clock.



PRIVAT.E BILLS.


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Bill No. 146 (from the Senate) for the relief of Herbert John Lawrence.-Mr. Ross.
Bill No. 145 (from the Senate) to change the name of the Alberta-Saskatchewan Life Insurance Company to " The Commercial Life Assurance Company of Canada."-Mr. Douglas (Strathcona).

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The House again in Committee on Bill No. 137 to amend the Militia Act, Mr. Boivin in the Chair.
Georges Henri Boivin: When the Committee
rose at six o'clock clause 1 was under consideration. Shall clause 1 carry?


William Folger Nickle: Before clause 1 is voted
on, Mr. Chairman, I would like to say a word or two in reply to the Minister of Militia's answer to my argument. If I understood him correctly, he endeavoured to argue that because Great Britain sent an expeditionary force of 100,000 men to Prance, therefore there was justification for Canada having a permanent force of 10,000 men. In 1914 the British Expeditionary Force was probably the finest-trained and best-equipped force in the world, and without doubt the part it played in the early stages of the war was most important in giving the Allies an opportunity of preparing for the subsequent warfare. But I fail to follow the logic of the minister in his argument,-if that was his endeavour-that because Great Britain maintained a permanent army of 100,000 men before the great war, that is a justification for Canada hereafter having a permanent force of 10,000 men. Great Britain has for more than a century been the policeman of the world. She has colonies in all parts of the world and protectorates in the Seven Seas. England to a great extent, if not altogether, finds it essential for the maintenance of the British Empire that there should be available at all times a disciplined force that can be sent, as occasion may require, to any part of the world.
I do not believe that the time has arrived when Canada, as a part of the British Empire, feels it incumbent to assume any part of the policing of the world, except in so far as our obligations under the Treaty of Peace, which embraces the League of Nations, may necessitate such duty. I am quite prepared to admit that probably by being a signatory to the Treaty of Peace Canada will assume obligations that will place her among the nations of the world-obligations that may, in time to come, necessitate our sending troops to any part of the world for the maintenance of the status* quo of things in general. But I have greater hopes for the League of Nations than that we are immediately going to be required to maintain peace by the use of arms. There is no great mystical power in the term "League of Nations,"
and probably the covenant between the signatories to the Peace Treaty will, to a very great extent, depend for its true fulfilment upon the spirit in which it is entered into and the spirit manifested in the keeping of that League.
But I want again to reiterate what I said to the House this afternoon, that with the financial obligations Canada has to face in the near future, I do not think this is the time for us to assume what would probably be an obligation of 17,500,000 for years to come. If we add 5,000 men to our permanent force, at $1,000 per man for maintenance, that will represent $5,000,000 a year, and by the time you add to that the equipment and the additional remuneration that must be paid to the higher rank's, to say nothing of the other expenses incident to such an organization, I do not think I am outside the figure when I say that Canada's bill for the maintenance of her permanent force will amount, not to $7,500,000, but to $15,000,000 a year. For these reasons, Mr. Chairman, I am against the power that is asked for. I regret exceedingly that the minister has brought in the Bill, and as>
I am now inclined. I am sorry to say, I cannot support it.
Major-General MEWBURN: In reply to the hon. member for Kingston (Mr. Nickle), what made me refer to the permanent corps was that in his remarks the hon. gentleman, I think I am correct in saying, made the statement that the permanent forces did not win the war. I quite concur in that, but I do say that if it had not been for the standing or permanent army of Great Britain in 1914, which held the line between Mons and the Marne, I do not know where we would have been; and I think everybody will admit that in the early stages of the war the small permanent corps of Canada, which were called out immediately, made a record for themselves that will never be forgotten. That is* what I had reference to as far as the permanent corps is concerned, I do not agree with my hon. friend's remarks as regards, the necessity of having the permanent corps increased. All I am asking in this Bill is to give power to the Governor in Council to increase the permanent corps to such number, not exceeding 10,000 men, as they may determine. The hon. member well knows that the permanent corps cannot be increased until proper Estimates have been brought down and passed1 for their allowance and upkeep. But I do not think Canada to-day can

afford to be without a trained force of moderate * size to meet any eventualities that may occur. I am a great believer in the maxim that it is Ibetter to foe sure than sorry, and I think it is very poor policy to be penny wise and pound foolish. I felt it incumbent upon me to advise the Government that the permanent force should be increased in a small way, but at the present time not up to 10,000 men. I think, however, there should he provision in the statute that the force may be increased up to that point if the necessity arises. I think I have explained all the other matters referred to foy my hon. friend, and I do not feel "it necessary to continue the argument.


Mr. RICHARDSON:: I would just like to point out in connection with this Bill an experience I had when in Winnipeg about ten days ago. I had an interview with General Ketchen, who is in charge o<f Military District No. 10, as to the troubles in Winnipeg. I asked him in reference to the military strength that might foe available there should the conditions prove more serious. I discussed the matter with him and suggested that inasmuch as there were thousands of demobilized troops he would have no difficulty in securing all the men he might require. On the contrary, he said, he had extreme difficulty, that these men did not manifest any willingness to organize again,-they had been demobilized, were sick of the job, and did not wish to participate in military service again immediately. As a result an appeal was made to the citizens of Winnipeg, and some thousands of the business men organized and were sworn in to the militia. They repaired to the various barracks and went through the necessary drills, and performed all manner of menial work, during which time, they were, df course, obliged to absent themselves from business. I am prompted to make these remarks' because of a statement by one of the hon. members on the other side of the House that we had a very large militia force in the country which would always foe available.
I join with the hon. gentleman in paying tribute to the fine character of these men, and I concur in his remark about the stability of the Canadian people. But we are facing a condition, not a theory, and in view of the experience that the people of Winnipeg have had within the last few weeks, and of the advisability of providing for the taking of proper steps should
[Major-General Mewburn.]
similar incidents occur in any other part of the country, I am a strong believer in the idea that there ought to be a permanent force. The minister does not propose that the permanent force shall consist of 10,000 men; the Government is simply being given power to have a permanent force up to that number. I think that is only fair. The Government is charged with the responsibility of protecting the people and of preserving peace throughout the country. Our country is three or four thousand miles long, and if trouble should break out in two or three places at the same time the Government would be blamed, and properly so, if it had not taken precautions to deal with such a situation. After what has been said, I have no doubt that the Government will certainly not increase the force beyond what is reasonably necessary. Hon. members should bear in mind the heterogeneous nature of the population in the far western country, especially in British Columbia, Alberta and Saskatchewan. Hundreds of thousands of these people do not understand our constitution, many thousands of them are not even familiar with our language; and until they are assimilated with our own people it would be wise to have a very considerable permanent force. Until the present unrest subsides-and it exists throughout the country to a much greater extent than members who have net been in t.heir constituencies lately would dream of-the Government should be on the alert to meet any possible emergency that may arise.
Mr. CRERiAR: I cannot quite agree with the views expressed by the hon. gentleman who has just spoken (Mr. Richardson); nor am I by any means convinced of the wisdom of increasing our permanent military establishment by 100 per cent. If we look at the matter from the point of view of establishing the basis of a military organization to meet such an emergency as this country was called upon to meet in 1914, what we accomplished at that time clearly shows that we do not need any addition to the forces now. In other words, with a permanent force of
5,000	prior	to	1914, we	had the
skeleton of an organization upon which, in a short time, we built up an army of 500,000-and the most efficient army that was engaged in the great war. Consequently, it does not appeal to me as necessary that for this purpose we should make provision to enlarge our permanent military establishment.

The only other consideration that qould lead ns to view favourably the suggestion contained in this Bill is the maintenance of law and order at home. I have faith in the law-abiding qualities of the Canadian people; I dislike even to contemplate an increase in the permanent military establishment to 10,(100 with a view to maintaining law and order in this country. The hon. gentleman (Mr. Richardson) has stated that the citizens of Winnipeg, where there has been grave unrest for the past six or seven weeks, took upon themselves the obligation of maintaining law and order there. If it should be necessary in other parts of the country-all hon. gentlemen, I am sure, devoutly hope that it will not-to maintain law and order, the same means could be found as have been found in Winnipeg. I am profoundly convinced that the maintenance of law and order and the bringing of happiness to the people lies not so much in creating armed forces as it does in en-4gavouring to strike at the causes which lead to unrest. The creation of this force will mean an additional annual outlay, as the member for Kingston (Mr. Nickle) has pointed out, of from $5,000,000 to $7,500,000 a year. Having regard to the present state of our finances and to the revenue which this country has to raise, is it desirable to undertake the additional expenditure involved in this proposal ? It does not commend itself to my judgment. I hope that the Government will direct all the attention it possibly can to removing the causes of the unrest which exists in the country today ; that is the best possible remedy for present conditions and the most efficacious means of bringing back harmony and happiness to the Canadian people. I believe that the vast majority of the foreign element of our population-and by this I mean the elements in our population which are of European foreign	extraction-are	lawabiding. I doubt if any country in the world with so large a percentage of alien population has come through the war as successfully, from the point of view of the absence of internal disorder, as Canada has. That being the case, let us appeal to the good. that is in our citizens rather than to the establishment of large armed forces to overawe them.


Mr. COCKSHUTT:: I congratulate the minister on the step that he has taken. I cannot agree with my hon. friend (Mr. Crerar), for I know of no country which has so much to defend and so little to defend it as Canada has. Suppose we had a
permanent force of 10,000 for the whole of Canada; that would be two and a half men for every mile of our four thousand miles of border. Surely an army of such a size and so disposed would not be very successful in the trenches against an ordinary enemy. But while we are not contemplating any trouble of that kind, it is only a matter of ordinary precaution that we should take out a certain amount of insurance in this connection-for I look upon this provision as a kind of insurance policy, and a very moderate one, indeed. Had the minister proposed the stablishment of a permanent force up to 25,000 men, a great many people would have held up both hands for it. Ten thousand men is the very minimum for a permanent force in this country. I do not know what our responsibilities will be under the League of Nations. Force will be used if the League of Nations is to amount to anything; even the member for Brome (Mr. McMaster) will admit that. The League of Nations is not going to bring about peace in the world simply by a fiat. It has not been able to do away with the trouble in Russia, though representatives of twenty or thirty of the nations of the world are assembled over there and are controlling many millions of men. Notwithstanding all this, Russia is still seething with revolt, bloodshed and destruction, and what applies to Russia applies to many other European countries. Not more than six or eight weeks ago it was announced in big head-lines in the press that the United States proposed, if necessary, to establish a permanent force of 500,000 men. Our force of 10,000 as compared with the force of 500,000 men to the south would be a very limited one. indeed. I trust the Committee will sustain the minister in no uncertain way if a vote is called for on this question, because it is a matter of serious consequence to the people of Canada. If, as the hon. member for Marquette (Mr. Crerar) has just said, there are causes for unrest in Canada, I do not think we are going to multiply them by having a kind olf respectable police force. Even Toronto "the good," has never been able to abolish its police force, and I do not believe it will in our time.


Mr. SHEARD:: Do not reflect on Toronto, please.


William Foster Cockshutt: There is a certain irresponsible element in the best of cities, and a police force is required. Even the

hon. member for Brome (Mr. McMaster) will acknowledge that that is an ordinary statement of fact that cannot be gainsaid. If that be the case in the most Christian cities of the world, surely it is not too much to say that 10,090 men for the whole Dominion of Canada-and it is not proposed to increase the force to that number at the present time-will be too great a force for Canada to embark on a little later on. I trust the minister will be very heartily supported.


James Alexander Robb: Does the hon. member (Mr. Cockshutt) know that the United States Congress rejected their war proposition?


Mr. EDWARDS:: Can the minister say what is the attitude of the United States now as regards a permanent force for that country as compared with its permanent force before the war? Can the minister also state the attitude of Great Britain in that regard?
Major-General MEWBURN: The United States Secretary of State for War, and the War Council, determined that they were to have a standing army of 500,000 men, and I am not so clear that the Bill was rejected in its entirety. The chief dispute was in connection with the air force there, and I presume that is to be cut down. I have not seen any accurate figures, but 500,000 was the estimate. For years the United States had a National Guard throughout the States. They contemplated in some way changing that National Guard, and they felt that, with their draft law as they had it on their statute book they could get men in a hurry in case of war outside of the country, but their difficulty was in providing trained officers and instructors. While there was some talk of reducing that force below the 500,000, they intended to keep a very strong standing army and to increase yery largely their personnel of officers, i As regards Great Britain, a committee has been working for some time on the post bellum army of Great Britain, and I do not think any definite decision has yet been arrived at as to' what the standing army will be, and I do not think one will be reached until after they get through with the difficulty on the continent, but I understand it will be considerably increased.
i Mr. EDWARDS:	Has the minister the
[DOT]figures of the United States permanent army before'the war? tlMr. Cocksbutt. 1
Major-General MEWBURN:	Possibly a
little over 100,000.


James Alexander Robb: The information I have here from a New York newspaper is that the United States War Department asked for
500,000	men and Congress has cut that down to 300,000.


Mr. PETER McGIBBON:: The minister's proposition has my hearty endorsement. *When a minister comes to this House at a time like this and asks for the privilege of fortifying himself, the least this House can do is to give him that privilege. I do not think we should ask the men who have come back to Canada after four years at the front, to go out and risk their lives again in defence of this country unless we are going to pay them adequately. There is something coming to those men. Many of them came back without any occupation to return to and many of them would like to enter military life as a profession. This country owes them something, and it. can pay part of that by enlarging the permanent corps and giving a number of returned officers and men employment. We have all heard for many years past suggestions made like those of the hon. member for Marquette (Mr. Crerar). We know the result of them in the past; those arguments are not new, and they are as fallacious as they are old. If you want to be in a position to keep order and to enforce law in any country, you must have the necessary force. In this country, which is 4,000 miles in width, it is no use saying that you are going to enforce, law and order unless you have something behind you. The minister is to be congratulated in bringing down this-Bill, and the Committee should support him.


Michael Clark: This is a very serious matter. I find myself very much embarrassed by it. I am embarrassed on grounds of my relationship with and my opinion of the minister. I hold the opinion that he has been a most excellent minister and that he has brought to the discharge of his duties a combination of energy and courtesy which have been a very great national possession in the very serious time through which we have recently passed. I feel that so much that I am almost sure he would not have proposed this, however strongly he might have felt in favour of it, unless he had had very strong reasons to bear upon his mind. At the same time, the proposition is serious, and it is also somewhat peculiar.

I had occasion, at an earlier period of the day, to remind the House that I for one, defended in most unmistakable terms the Military Service Act on the ground that we were fighting militarism. There was no phrase so common on the lips of the statesmen of the Allies as the phrase "We are fighting militarism, and militarism must die." Was that all a dream? Did we not mean it? If we were fighting militarism, it seems rather a peculiar thing-


Mr. GRIESBACH:: I would ask the hon. member to define the meaning of the word "militarism."


Michael Clark: There are some things that, in the matter of definition, afford a field in which a child can baffle a philosopher. There are some' things so simple that it is impossible to define them, but if my hon. friend wants to know what I think is militarism, it is the tendency of a State to remain in that stage of human society which is characterized by warlike operations. It is the state, philosophers would tell him, which is opposed to the industrial state. [I should speak much longer than I intended to on this question, if I am to have many questions like this addressed to me. If my hon. friend had spent as much time reading Herbert Spencer as I have, he would have learned that, in the opinion of that distinguished philosopher, human society passes, in the case of any given section of it, from the stage of primitive 'barbarism through a period of militarism into a state of industrialism.


William Antrobus Griesbach: Free trade later on.


Michael Clark: Free trade and militarism are sworn foes, and therefore, I am a sworn foe of militarism. In a state of perfect industrialism, we should, of course, have free trade. It is elementary that every country would then produce a superabundance of the things it was most calculated to produce and that the different countries would exchange their surpluses with one another.
I was saying, when I was tempted to go into this argumentative alleyway, that we fought militarism in this war. We understood that we were putting down militarism. Everybody said so. Then we fought the war under a delusion, if we are going in for militarism in this country. There is another peculiar aspect of this matter. My right hon. friend the Prime Minister (Sir
Robert Borden) has just come from the Paris conference, at which the various statesmen recognized that militarism was a bad thing. There was militarism, if it was ever seen in the world, in Germany, and the statesmen at that conference have recognized it as so bad a thing that they have taken what many people regard as tremendously severe steps to cure Germany of it. Surrounded as she is by land, her existence threatened on the land as much as ever that of Britain, an island, could be by sea, she has had her standing army reduced to almost infinitesimal proportions. Surely there is food for thought in the fact that in this democratic country of Canada, at a time when we are destroying militarism in all the old autocratic countries in Europe with the apparent consent of the peoples of those countries, we should be increasing that very thing on this continent, where under the Monroe doctrine we thought we should never have to interfere in the wars of the world, and where at one time Canada's participation in such a war as that through which we have just passed would not have been thought of by any serious-minded person?
I have not had the good fortune to listen to the whole of this debate, but I gather that the reason for which we are being asked to increase the permanent military forces by one hundred per cent has been given as the unrest that prevails in the country. Well, in regard to that unrest, I should like to say that I personally have no apologies to offer for being a Canadian, in view of what has happened in Winnipeg, for this reason: That there probably never was in the history of the world a strike of such dimensions in a limited area, in which the peace-loving instincts of the people have preserved order in a manner so creditable to a whole country. I want to say, and I think that every Canadian will agree with me, that if that strike could happily be settled in the near or immediate future, instead of giving this country a black eye. the way in which it has been conducted ana the peace kept will be the best advertisement that Canada has ever received as a country to which peace-loving men may come to live without fear of being unduly molested in the pursuit of their daily avocations. So far from the unrest being an argument for increasing the military forces, the unrest in Winnipeg is exactly the other way. We have had the most acute state of feeling as between two sections of the community there. I do not want to

go into the merits of the case, hut I say that what has happened in Winnipeg does not in any case afford very strong evidence that this is a country which needs a great body of soldiers to keep its people in order, even in times of great industrial. division and strife. Now, if there is to be a vote on this matter-I understand my hon. friend from Marquette has spoken, and I am sorry I did not hear what he said-I think I shall be almost constrained, although our party is so small on the cross benches, to vote with my leader. If anything could prevent me from doing so it would be a very firm assurance from the minister that tins is a very temporary matter. And even that assurance would not carry me very far, because militarism is like strife at the beginning, it is like the letting out of water; once you enter upon this business and if my hon. friend from West Edmonton (Mr. Greisbach) or any one else doubts this, I would recommend to him a study of Cob-den, not on free trade but on armaments -once . you enter upon this business you create an appetite for it on the part of a certain class of the community, and it grows in spite of the best intentions of governments and their individual members. I cannot think that the step is a wise one. I do not think it is needed; I do not think that it' is necessary to double the standing army in Canada; for I have supreme confidence in the common sense and sanity of the Canadian people. We have heard again and again the definition of Liberalism as "trust in the people, qualified by prudence." If that be a correct definition of Liberalism I think I am still a Liberal, and I think that prudence would take the form of keeping our standing army at its present figure. The opposite definition is that of Toryism, which I think is dead in the world to-day except for a very few specimens left in the "Unionist party. Toryism has been defined as "distrust of the people qualified by fear.'' Well, we have not much to be afraid of in a country which at a moment's notice raised four or five hundred thousand of the best soldiers that.were ever seen on the face of the earth-men who would go through anything and go anywhere. We did that almost at a moment's notice in this country, and I do think that we should cast fears to the wind and be guided by reasonable prudence. We should have in mind	the	enormous financial	demands of	the country, and	the
splendid history of Canada throughout its whole record as a peace-loving country, and should rightly consider the special

record in Winnipeg to which I have referred and the way our people have kept the peace there in spite of temptation to go the contrary road. As I have said, if this question is put to the vote I shall stay with my leader unless he votes for it.


William Antrobus Griesbach: I should like to give the hon. member for Red Deer (Mr. Clark) a definition of militarism which I fancy has been prepared by lexicographers who have read Spencer, and which I think it is desirable should be more or less accepted if the discussion is going to proceed along the line which it has taken. Militarism is defined as a condition that prevails in a country which makes it the chief object of the state to prepare and wage war. If that definition of militarism is accepted it follows that Germany was given over to militarism.
But does it follow that if we raise our permanent police force from 5,000 to 10,000 men we are thereby going in for militarism to the ruin of our immortal souls? Following all great world conflicts there is necessarily a period of local and international unrest. It has always been, and I fancy it always will be, so; and while I quite agree with those who suggest that we should go to the sources of the unrest and deal with them, which I hope will be done, it is very desirable-and I think it will be a strong antidote 'to some portion of ttuT unrest-if the Government of the country is able to guarantee protection to law-abiding people. That is the position in which I would put the government of this country: That those who do obey the law and desire to be law-abiding shall be protected, at all events against those who are not law-abiding.
The permanent corps played a very important part in preparing for the last war, and it is always bound to play an important part in our military preparations. No commander in the field, no man of any rank, could have qualified as he did in the Canadian army, had it not been for the instruction he received at the hands of the permanent corps. The hon. member for Red Deer pointed out how, in a moment, we raised an army. As a matter of fact, we raised, in six weeks, 33,000 men to proceed overseas, hut six months passed before they got into the field. That fact should be known. If any hon. gentleman who is satisfied with the condition of affairs in which we stood in 1914, he is easily satisfied and he is dis-

tinetly a gentleman who did not place himself in a position to suffer for lack of preparation as some of us did. By reason of lack of training, lack of preparation, lack of equipment, lack of everything that we required, it cost this country a great deal more than it need have cost to put our army in the field. In our army, particularly in the American army, and in any army where there is no adequate preparation, the casualties must be higher. You must pay the price in life and money for your failure to make adequate provision for war which is almost inevitable. It may interest the Committee to have its attention drawn to these facts in the history of our own country. We have had a chance to go to war almost every fifteen years since this country began. There was 1914, 1900, 1885, 1870, 1866 -the Fenian raid,-1837, 1812-15, and the American Revolutionary War. Will anybody say that the history of the past will not repeat itself?
As far as the city of Winnipeg is concerned, the people of that city have conducted themselves in a highly creditable manner, but it ought not to be forgotten that it is probably, to some extent, due, in addition to the splendid character of the Canadian people, to the facf that there were under arms in that city a thousand cavalry and several thousand infantry. That seems to me to afford a somewhat better explanation of the good order that has been maintained in the city of Winnipeg than to say that it is due to the kindly disposition of the people of Winnipeg, excellent people as they are. I shall support this Bill.
. Mr. D'ANJOU (Rimouski) (translation): Mr. Chairman, before the vote is taken, I think it is my duty to express my opinion upon this Bill.
I represent a county which is known for its anti-militarist principles, I am myself an out-and-out anti-militarist and I must immediately .state that it is with the greatest pleasure I shall vote against this Bill and that I will vote as often as the opportunity to do so is offered me. This is not the proper time to attempt introducing militarism in Canada after the Canadian people, for the past four years, being asked to go and fight overseas in order to destroy Prussian militarism; it is not the proper time to establish ,a military caste in Canada, to create positions, not for the men who have fought, probably, for young officers, who sported themselves in this country during four years, being paid at the rate of $10 per diem.
Mr. Chairman, as several members have already stated in this House, the League of Nations has 'been formed and it is almost a certainty that we shall not have any more wars in the future. Besides, according to the hon. Minister of Militia, this Bill has been introduced to increase our establishment, not for the protection of our borders, but especially to restore peace in the-country, to put down strikes and face all other troubles that might arise.
Mr. Chairman, I was anxious to declare that I am absolutely opposed to this Bill, without any reservation whatever, and that it will toe with pleasure; I repeat it, that I shall give my vote against this measure.


Jacques Bureau: Mr. Chairman, I think it is a very ill-chosen time to double this country's military forces. As the member for Red Dear (Mr. Clark) has just stated, we have a perfect trust in the people and we believe that the best police we can have to maintain order among the people is their own good sense and their love of peace.
A moment ago the hon. member for Edmonton (M. Griesbach) said that an increase of the police force of the country was desired toy doubling the number-


Rodolphe Lemieux: of the militia.


Jacques Bureau: Not of the militia, but of the military police. However, if the great conflict which took place, if the sacrifices the country 'made, if all the sacrifices of the allies have accomplished in order to establish and maintain democracy, to sustain liberty and set up a reign of universal peace are useless, it is also useless to say that, in a peaceful country like Canada, we shall gain anything in arming ten thousand men.
The stand taken by those who are opposing this increase for the time being is a wise one and, I think, the best means of ending the unrest now existing in the country would be to show the people that we have confidence in them. I do not think the words uttered by the hon. member for Edmonton very wise when, speaking about the Winnipeg strike and the general uneasiness caused by this large 'strike he says that if there was no .blood shed, if there was relative calm-because in such times calmness must ne considered relatively with the state of minds at the time-it is due to the fact that so many cavalrymen were ready to strike and that 9,000 men were under arms. Such



words are not calculated to bring peace or harmony to the country. We must not lead Canadian citizens to believe that if, for one reason or another, we must to-day increase the military strength, it is because we feel no confidence in their patriotism and their loyalty and because we think that they do not know how to appreciate this precious gift of sovereignty they enjoy in Canada.
Therefore, and following the wise advice handed to us by the hon. member for Red Deer we must place our confidence with the people, knowing that the mass of people are wise enough to keep peace and harmony in the country and I shall oppose the Bill doubling the military strength of Canada.


Mr. H. A. MACKIE:: Mr. Chairman, if I speak on this question at all it is because the two last speakers have addressed the Committee in French, and I desire to have this section of the House know something about their ideas and their opinions.


Jacques Bureau: I do not want the hon. member for Edmonton (Mr. H. A. Mackie) to translate what I say. If he has got any statement to make, let him make it.


Henry Arthur Mackie: I do not want to translate the hon. gentleman's observations. It is the first time he has used French in this House, although he is quite capable of expressing himself in English.


Jacques Bureau: I beg to correct the hon. gentleman. This is not the first time I have used French in the House; I have done so repeatedly.


Georges Henri Boivin: I think the point of order raised by the member for Three Rivers (Mr. Bureau) is well taken. There is a rule which says that an hon. member cannot repeat either his own arguments or the arguments used by other hon. gentlemen.


Henry Arthur Mackie: Red Deer, and which was also stated, I think, much more as an idealist, by the member for Marquette. But the condition is wrong, absolutely wrong, and any one who suggests to me that there is any militarism in an enormous country extending from Cape Breton to Vancouver-


Robert Hamilton Butts: Do not say Cape Breton, now.


George William Allan: All right,-with a population scattered from the Maritime Provinces to the provinces of Quebec and Ontario, to the Prairie Provinces and so to the province of British Columbia-that any one who suggests to me that a force of anything within the maximum which the hon. Minister of Militia has mentioned to-night savours of militarism-such a suggestion I cannot follow. To my mind it is only a force which is reasonable and adequate for our enormous territory and scattered population. We all deplore the present condition of unrest; we all feel we have to face it from day to day and overcome it; and we all believe that we can, having the force provided for by the Bill successfully deal with any emergency which may hereafter confront us. Therefore I shall vote for the Bill.


Rodolphe Lemieux: I had expected that my hon. friend from Edmonton East (Mr. Mackie) would have made strange revelations about the speech delivered by my good friend from Three Rivers (Mr. Bureau); but after this address to the committee this evening, I have yet to learn that the hon. member for Three Rivers has uttered any words in French which he could not repeat in English. As a matter of fact, I take exactly the same attitude as my hon. friend from Three Rivers. That hon. member-


Henry Arthur Mackie: I rise to a point of order, Mr. Chairman. Is the hon. member for Maisonneuve at liberty to repeat anything that has been said by the hon. member for Three Rivers?


Rodolphe Lemieux: I am not repeating at all. I am stating, Mr. Chairman, that I am taking exactly the same attitude on this Bill as my hon. friend from Three Rivers. To show those of the committee who do not understand French that there is nothing sinister in the language used or in the attitude taken by my hon. friend from Three Rivers, it is this: The member for Three 
Rivers, the member for Maisonneuve, and many other members on both sides of the House, trust implicitly the common sense ,pf the Canadian people. That is all that' was embodied in the remarks made by the hon. member. I have for my hon. friend the Minister of Militia the highest regard, and I think I may oppose his measure without impairing that regard.
It seems to me that in the great economic crisis which one section of the country is passing through to-day, if the Government had shown some moral courage it would have accomplished much more than has [DOT]been accomplished by the shots that were fired on the people of Winnipeg the other day. Remember, Mr. Chairman, I do not take sides with the strikers or against them;
I am not familiar with the conditions. The press has been absolutely silent on the causes of this strike and on the attitude of the strikers. But I admire the spirit of the citizens of Winnipeg who decided that law and order should be maintained, and they have to a laTge degree succeeded in accomplishing their purpose. I wish to say, however, that there are other examples in other countries of economic troubles such as those we have at Winnipeg and in other centres of our Dominion, and in those countries the heads of the Government have thought it their duty to interfere personally. Let me give an example to my right hon. friend the Prime Minister. Mr. Lloyd George, the Prime Minister of England, not more than a few weeks ago, was summoned from Paris-where the right hon. gentleman was-to attend a conference with the miners in England. On several occasions during the war, but certainly on two or three decisive occasions, Mr. Lloyd George, the Prime Minister of England, went to the strikers' homes -and discussed with them their troubles, and won his point, whilst the miners and the strikers were also winning theirs. Through conciliation, through parleying, and through mutual trust the labour troubles, which were of great magnitude, were overcome by the great moral strength of Mr. Lloyd George.
Let me give another example to the right hon. gentleman. 1 was reading last night the latest book-and it is an admirable book, the life of M. Clemenceau, "The Old Tiger"-by M. [Lecomte, one of the- leading French writers. During M. Clemenceau's first tenure of office as Premier of France there were two great strikes, involving not one city but two or three departments.

The men- were splendidly organized, and we know that Frenchmen are warm-blooded. There were some people who said, like my hon. friend from Edmonton (Mr. Griesbach) -who served so gallantly during the war- that the only thing which would prevent trouble would be the calling out of the troops. M. Clemenceau resisted that proposal and himself went amongst the strikers and discussed with them their grievances, and settled both strikes. The writer says that it was due to his common sense, to his moral courage, and also to his great character, that on those two historic occasions he was able to curb the militaristic spirit which, even in France, was displaying itself against the labour element. I say to the right hon. gentleman,-and I say it with all due respect, because he knows that I have the highest regard for him that even to-day it is not too late for him. the first citizen of Canada, to go to Winnipeg, and by means of conciliation to settle the strike there. Let it not be said that the Parliament of Canada on this first explosion in the West has answered by doubling our militia force, when I believe that the right hon. gentleman, having the whole nation at his back, could by speaking words of truth and wisdom bring the parties together.
The member for Marquette (Mr. Crerar) spoke words of wisdom a moment ago when he said that you must strike at the root of the trouble; that you must not attempt to overcome these difficulties by force of arms. If the Government should to-morrow announce that they will introduce legislation providing for the nationalization of the cold storage establishments of this country, it would allay the bad feeling which prevails as against the monopolists. If the Government should to-morrow take steps to prevent some of these companies from corralling the money of the people to the extent of /2 per cent of profits on the necessaries of life, they would be taking steps to allay the bitter feelings which are spreading throughout the land. I agree with the member for Bed Deer that it is regrettable that on the eve of the signing of the Peace Treaty it should become known that Canada is acting contrary to the decisions arrived at at Versailles. This war is the last war, this war was meant to end all wars in the future; and it is not by doubling the military forces of 'Canada that you will instil into the minds of coming generations a recognition of the fact that we are a British country; that we have no love for militaristic enterprises, that the affairs of the country should be run on a common sense, busi-. ness basis.
I do not like, Mr. Chairman, certain expressions which were used by my gallant friend from West Edmonton (Mr. Griesbach). Speaking of the necessity of having a strong military force in Canada, he delved into history and said that every fifteen years we had " a chance " to go to war. I do not like that expression; it smacks of militarism. It would seem that my hon. friend is happy because this evening we are having the thin edge of the wedge-


William Antrobus Griesbach: When I said that eveTy fifteen years we had a chance of going to war, I meant that those who went to war had a chance to go to war every fifteen years. I went because I believed it to be my duty to go.


Rodolphe Lemieux: My ihon. friend did not go alone; fortunately, he came back alive. I accept his explanation, but the whole tenor of his speech indicates that he is in favour of the establishment and maintenance of a strong military force in Canada. The member for Muskoka (Mr. McGibbon) went a little further; he said that it was the intention^ to give employment to returned soldiers. Is it good policy to give soldiers who went to war to end all wars further employment as soldiers on their return? I am in favour of a moderately strong military force in Canada; I advocated not long ago the training of our young boys at college in case of an emergency in the future. But let us not have militarism in Canada at a time when there is a general desire to cut the frills of militarism; at a time when we must do away with waste in the Militia Department. I do not say that the minister is wasting money, but I do say that, having regard to the period of unrest through which we are passing, to the huge national debt which is staring us in the face, and to the economic problems which confront us in the West, this is not the time to weld such a costly weapon. Again I ask the minister to consider this matter seriously; I ask him not to excite the prejudices of labour at this particular juncture.


Robert Hamilton Butts: Mr. Chairman, it is an old saying that after the storm generally comes a calm; so I am going to try and be calm.
I am going to support, in all fulness, the measure of the minister, on this particular

principle: that down in my country, when strikes come on, the employer and the employee are generally able to get together and settle their difficulties. So that to my part of the country this is a matter of indifference. The Dominion Iron and Steel Company and the Dominion Coal Company met with their employees in the court house in Sydney last January, talked over the questions at issue in a sane and complacent manner, . and arrived at a settlement of their difficulties. If you boisterous people in the West deserve to have a doubling^ of the military forces, Why then, we will give it to you.
My hon. friend (Mr. Lemieux) does not. seem to be as familiar with strike conditions as he is with military conditions. You talk of the big strikes of the world; did governments intervene? Who intervened in the case of the Homestead strike in the United States, perhaps the biggest strike that ever occurred there? Did the British Government interfere in the London dock strikes? Was it not Cardinal Manning who settled the London dock strikes when your great Gladstone was in power? Now you call upon the Prime Minister to go to the West. Have we not had strikes in this country? Did the then Prime Minister, the late Sir Wilfrid Laurier, go to Glace Bay a few years ago to settle the strike down there? Now, be reasonable in this matter. Gladstone did not settle the London dock strikes; neither did the late Sir Wilfrid Laurier settle the big Glace Bay strike, which lasted for months. We had to come to terms ourselves, and we did it, by a sanity peculiar to our own Cape Breton people.
To-day there is no dispute between capital and labour in that part of the country. The only dispute we have, I might in a friendly way remind the Government, is that they are not getting back our shipping. If in the western country you have difficulties of your own, do you know of any statute that you people who were in charge of the affairs of this country put on the statute book that would settle such disputes? Do you know of any law that you ever put upon the statute book that would allow any of your members of Government, or officials of your departments, to go out to Winnipeg and take conditions in your own hands and settle that strike? Is there anything? You were in power for fifteen years. This is the first dispute that has occurred since you left office. Have you provided
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for it? If you have not, then why do you quarrel?


Mr. MOW  AT@: This subject is so important, and I take and have for many years taken such an interest in it, that I should like to say a word or two. This is not a party question. In the capable hands of the hon. member for Maisonneuve (Mr. Lemieux), it seems to have been given a turn that was an appeal to those who are prejudiced against the defence of their country.


Some hon. MEMBERS:: Order.


Mr. MOW  AT@: The defence of the country is a matter which is absolutely divorced from party; it applies to both parties. I do not know the necessity for this increase in the permanent force, but I have a trust in the Minister of Militia (Major-General Mew-burn), because I have noticed since I have been in this House, his sanity and his want of impetuosity in dealing with the affairs of his office. If he says that it is essential that power should be given to call up another 5,000 men, I am going to follow him. The Bill does not say that they must be called hip; it simply gives the power. I have not heard the whole of the debate, but I was here this afternoon when the hon. member for Brome (Mr. McMaster), where the bromide comes from, was speaking.


Jacques Bureau: Give him a dose, for Heaven's sake.


Mr. MOWAT:: 
Mr. TOBIN:: Mr. Chairman, I should like to make a few remarks-


Georges Henri Boivin: Before the hon. member begins his remarks, and in order that I shall not be obliged to call any other hon. member to order, I must remind the

committee that the second reading of this Bill took place this afternoon when the principle of the Bill was adopted. We have been discussing the principle of the Bill since eight o'clock and the discussion has certainly not been in order. Whether or not it would have been in order on the second reading is a question I am not now called upon to decide and I would therefore ask any hon. member who has remarks to make to confine them to the clause under discussion.


Edmund William Tobin: Mr. Chairman, I will follow the rules as closely as I possibly can, but I must say that I am surprised that the Government should bring in a Bill at the present time having- as its object the increasing of our standing military force by 5,000 men. The war is over and we have now entered upon the period of reconstruction. The country is faced with an expenditure this year of $620,000,000, and the total revenue that is in sight, after taxing everything that can possibly be taxed, is only $280,000,000, so that $340,000,000 more will have to be raised. The Minister of Finance will have to go before the country this coming fall and borrow this money. Whether he borrows the morfey in Canada or in the United States, he will have to find it, and in view of the figures which I have quoted, is it reasonable to embark on any undertaking that will create a further deficit? I for one would rather see the Government pay the returned men a bonus of $1,000 each. This would represent paying that sum to each of 300,000 to 500,000 men, a million dollars.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: One hundred million.


Edmund William Tobin: Well, one hundred million. I beg your pardon, Mr. Chairman, I think my hon. friend is wrong. Three hundred million dollars divided among 300,000 men would be $1,000 apiece.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: It would be $2 apiece.


Edmund William Tobin: I have the figures here, although I have not looked at them very closely. Now, Mr. Chairman, I want to say to the hon. minister that if you give a bonus to these men who have given their all in the service of the country you will do more to satisfy the people than if you increase the standing military forces of the country, for such a step would only tend to excite public indignation. The prime cause of

public dissatisfaction at the present time is directly attributable to this Government, which, though allowing profiteers to make from seventy to one hundred per cent, and even as high as three hundred per cent, has helped to increase the cost of living. These soldiers who fought so nobly for the cause of the Empire are returning out of work and will find it exceedingly difficult indeed to live on the small wages which will be available unless some substantial assistance is given them. I have every respect for my hon. friend the Minister of Militia, but I would seriously urge on him the necessity of abandoning this Bill.
. If he dropped this measure the country would commend him. In any event, the present is no time to increase expenditures unnecessarily when we are faced already with $600,000,000 for the current year. When we consider that a small country like Canada has a debt of $220 per capita it is high time that we should think of taking some sane steps to reduce the expenses of the country.
. Mr. EDWARDS:	(Where does my hon.
friend propose to get this billion dollars which he suggests that the Government should spend in the way of bonuses to the soldiers?


Edmund William Tobin: It would be easier to pay
these men bonuses of $1,000 a piece than to increase the militia force by 5,000 or 6,000, which would mean an expenditure of five or six million dollars a year and which might increase to seven or eight or ten million, for you do not know where you will stop. If you give these men $1,000 or $2,000 apiece it will be finished forever and the people will be satisfied.


William Cameron Edwards: If the proposition of
the hon. member were carried out and you gave $2,000 apiece to each man, that would mean one billion dollars. If you gave them $1,000 apiece it would be five hundred million dollars. Has the hon. member calculated the interest on this sum?


Edmund William Tobin: I have my figures and will show them to you.	-


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Section agreed to.
On section 2-Rates of pay of permanent force to be fixed by Governor in Council instead of by statute:
William Folger Nickle: Will the minister give
an explanation of what the Government intends to do in this regard?

Major-General MEWBURN:	I said this
afternoon that my immediate concern is to recommend to the Governor in Council a very small increase in the permanent force. I made it very clear then that I did not intend to increase the force immediately to 10,000. With regard to the second subsection, we will have to increase the pay of the permanent force, and I have not determined the actual figures. For instance, in the Northwest Mounted Police the pay for a staff-sergeant, per day is $3.25 including allowances; that of a warrant officer in the permanent forces is only $2.30, and the private in the permanent force, including field allowance receives $1.10. The constable receives, the first year, $2 a day.
My idea is that it might be put on the same scale as that upon which the Mounted Police now are. I had a letter from Calgary to-day, in which it is stated that the men of the permanent force are complaining that they cannot live on their pay and that it ought to be made equal to that of the Northwest Mounted Police. That is my recommendation to the Governor in Council.


William Folger Nickle: Mr. Chairman, I quite agree with what the minister has said in relation to the necessity of something being done to increase the pay of the permanent force, if the men who are to be on that force are to be the class of men that the minister would desire to have. I come from a city which is the headquarters of Military District No. 3, and I should like very much to see the members of the new force of such a class as the minister would like them to be. To that end he will have to give some consideration to the question of the improvement of the barrack accommodation of the permanent force. The greater part of the life of these men is spent in barracks. Their remuneration is made up not only of the money that they receive, but of certain allowances, quarters and accommodation. The accommodation in Kingston for the use of the permanent force has been, very poor, and I would like to urge upon the minister that he take some steps to secure some of the beautiful sites situated around Kingston for barrack purposes and that he turn over for commercial purposes the present barracks in the city. While I am on the subject of remuneration, let me say that I would like to see a new scale of pay adopted for the entire permanent force. New Zealand has taken up the whole question of the permanent force and has done away with a great many of the allowances and perquisites that have for so many years been considered necessary. I would like to see a scheme of remuneration adopted by which a definite amount for the services of officers and a definite amount for the services of the men would be paid in dollars and cents, that the public could measure and understand. I would also like to see such a change made in the permanent force as would abolish the system by which the superior ranks are entitled to the services of the rank and file in such occupations as cleaning furnaces, shovelling walks, waiting on table, and, in some cases looking after children. The civilian population resent that sort of thing. It is far from dignified, it has had an unfortunate effect on the rank and file, and it lends itself to abuse. I would like to urge upon the minister that he give consideration to this point. But, I want to urge especially upon him to see if something cannot be done to improve the quarters which for a century or so have been occupied by the permanent force at Kingston, because the present barracks are the successors of a certain establishment founded by Front-enac when he landed in what is now Kingston something over two centuries ago.


William Cameron Edwards: Mr. Chairman, I want to say a word about what has been suggested by some of the remarks of the hon. member (Mr. Nickle). If the Minister of Militia followed the suggestion of the hon. member and built new barracks in the city of Kingston on any one of the beautiful sites which, I confess, are numerous, he would be wasting money. There has been enough money wasted in Kingston by the Department of Public Works. We have at Barriefield a great many buildings which were erected, some of them even after the armistice was signed, and which are to-day absolutely useless. It is true that the barracks in Kingston are no better than a rathole. They have been a disgrace to the militia of Canada for as long as my memory can carry me. They should be torn down and thrown into the lake, there is no doubt in my mind as to that. If the city of Kingston had had any enterprise about it some years ago when the hon. member for Victoria (Sir Sam Hughes) was Minister of Militia, it would have accepted the suggestion made by him, torn those buildings down and thrown them into the lake. But Kingston is proverbially slow when it comes to anything along progressive lines. The people there have been content to look

at the old rotten barracks they have there, and pride themselves on the fact that the buildings were erected years and years ago by some person who was connected with the early history of the country. They would rather continue to look at the old rathole of a barracks which has an inscription on a stone over the arch than have it interfered with in any way, because that would be laying profane hands upon a sacred piece of history. What I would sug-egst as a counter proposal to what has been suggested by the hon. member for Kingston is this: You have at Barriefield Commons a number of buildings which have been erected at enormous cost to this country and which are useless. These buildings can be made useful for barracks purposes. You have not to go very far from where these buildings are to get solid rook. If you will merely place a wall under these buildings and then veneer them with brick, you will have good buildings at a minimum of cost and you will be relieved of the worry of knowing what to do with the buildings which you have there now, which have cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and which are absolutely useless at the present time. There is where your barracks ought to be. Get rid of the rathole barracks in Kingston just as quickly as you can.


William Folger Nickle: The hon. member for Frontenac


Georges Henri Boivin: Order; I must interrupt this discussion. I am sorry, but it [DOT]has nothing at all to do with the clause under discussion.


William Folger Nickle: We are discussing the remuneration of the member of the Canadian Permanent Force and that remuneration is made up of housing accommodation, food and pecuniary compensation. Can we not discuss the entire situation?


Georges Henri Boivin: My ruling is that housing accommodation of soldiers, and especially the construction of new barracks at Kingston, has absolutely nothing to do with the clause under discussion. My ruling is entirely in the hands of the committee.


John Howard Sinclair: I understand that we are dealing with the pay of the permanent force, and that it is proposed that the pay shall be settled by Order in Council. I think that is a mistake.

Major-General MEWBURN: It is to be approved by the Governor in Council.


John Howard Sinclair: Yes; Parliament is not 'to fix the scale. I think the minister will be doing the wise thing if he puts down a scale for Parliament to adopt, because there will be constant friction and trouble with the Militia Department in regard to the question of pay if that is not done. If the scale is fixed by Parliament, every soldier who enlisted in the permanent force will know what his pay is and he will know that the Governor in Council has no power to change it. It will make him more contented and it will be more satisfactory all round. Under this system you may have a strike among the members of your , permanent force, as we had in the Post Office Department, and to avoid anything of that kind I think i't would be better that the minister should make the pay of the soldiers statutory. It formerly was statutory and that system worked very well. If the minister is prepared to say how much he intends to pay them, it would be better to put it in the Act and make it a part of the law of the land.
Major-General MEWBURN: There is a good deal in what my hon. friend says, but I think it is perfectly safe to leave the matter in the hands of the Governor in Council. Everybody will admit that the old statutory provision of 75 cents a day is entirely out of the question. I do not anticipate that there will be any particular increase this year, but provision will have to be made in the Estimates probably at another session. At the present time we are paying the men $1.10 per diem, the same as the Canadian Expeditionary Force, and I feel we will have to continue that, probably to the end of this year. I am endeavouring to get the rates paid in the United States, Great Britain, New Zealand and Australia. At present we do not anticipate that the pay will be increased beyond that of the Royal Northwest Mounted Police-the rates paid to the two forces will probably run together. I think the Committee can rest assured that the Governor in Council will not establish any very extravagant rates of pay, but merely what is essential to carry on the force in a satisfactory manner.


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Section agreed to.

*On section 3-rates of pay of active militia to be fixed by Governor in Council instead of by statute.
Major-General MEWBURN:: This is a provision similar to the one which has been already carried.
Mr ERNEST LAPOINTE:: Does the minister intend to distribute the permanent force among the various military districts?
Major-General MEWBURN:	Yes, most
decidedly. We intend to distribute them among the various military districts in Canada, viz.: Halifax, St. John, Quebec, Montreal, Kingston, London, Toronto, Winnipeg, Regina, Calgary, and Victoria, B.C. For instance, I hope that the Royal Canadian Horse Artillery and the Garrison Artillery will be partly distributed in the province of Quebec and partly at Halifax and Esquimalt, also some infantry regiments.. Of the cavalry units one portion will be stationed in Toronto and another portion in St. Johns, Quebec. There will be another portion in Winnipeg, another in Calgary, and so on.


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Section agreed to.
Bill reported.
On the motion of Major-General Mewburn for the third reading of the Bill:
Ernest Lapointe: I suggest that the third reading be postponed to another day.


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: It is perfectly competent for the minister to proceed if he chooses.


William Thomas White: Is there any objection to the Bill being now read a third time?


Ernest Lapointe: We object to the third reading at this sitting.


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: The Bill will be read a third time at the next sitting of the House.



INSURANCE ACT (1917) AMENDMENT.

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On the motion of Sir Thomas White the House went into Committee on Bill No. 54 (from the Senate) to amend the Insurance Act, 1917, Mr. Boivin in the Chair.
On section 116-"aotiiary" defined.
Mr. J. A. STEWART:: This section as it appears in the Bill and as it passed the
Senate, was found to operate harshly upon a number of societies that were being served by actuaries who were not able to measure up to the standard set out therein. When the Bill was before the Committee on Banking and Commerce the position
10 p.m. of matters was explained by the member for St. Hyacinthe-Rouville (Mr. Gauthier).	There were
originally four societies affected by the legislation as it appeared before the Senate -the Maccabees, the Artisans, the Canadian Order of Foresters, and I think the Alliance Nationale. I do not know whether there	were any others, but
these	four at least	were affected,and	the section as	it stood deprived them of the services of the actuaries who had been serving them for a number of years. It was intended by the amendment made by the Committee on Banking and Commerce to relieve the condition with respect to all these societies, but the section as it passed that committee failed to give relief in any instance except that of the Artisans. I would therefore suggest to the Minister of Finance that an amended section be adopted which would give the relief which I believe it was the intention of the Committee on Banking and Commerce to afford. I would therefore propose to strike out section 116 as amended by the Banking and Commerce Committee and substitute the following:
116. The term " actuary " in this part means a Fellow of the Institute of Actuaries of Great Britain, the Faculty of Actuaries in Scotland, or the Actuarial Society of America; Provided, however, that an actuary who for a period of not less than five years preceding the date of the passing of this Act has been serving any fraternal benefit society transacting business in Canada on the said date as its actuary, and who has been in active -practice as an actuary for a period of not less than twenty-five years prior to the said date, may, for the purposes of this Act, with the consent of the superintendent, be continued as the actuary of any fraternal benefit society by which at the said date he is employed as actuary.
The changes which this amendment would cover are principally the reduction of the period of service from thirty to twenty-five years; and, also, it would give to any actuary who has been serving a society doing business in Canada for five years, the right to continue to serve not only that society, but any other society that he is at present serving. That is an important change from the amendment made by the Committee on Banking and Commerce, for the reason that some societies are being served by actuaries of more than twenty-
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five years' experience who have not been serving them for five years, but who have been serving other societies doing business in Canada for a longer period than five years. It will be admitted that a service of twentydive years is just as safe a guarantee of ability as a service of thirty years. If an actuary has not developed in twenty-five years the qualifications which would entitle him to be considered a satisfactory officer under the provisions of this Act, it is extremely unlikely that five years' additional service would make him any more efficient or trustworthy for the business that would devolve upon him under the Act.


William Thomas White: I will be very glad to accept the amendment. It meets with the approval of the Superintendent of Insurance.


Mr. PEDLOW:: Before you declare that amendment carried, Mr. Chairman, I wish to express approval of and to endorse the remarks made by the hon. member for Lanark (Mr. Stewart) in regard to_it. There is also an additional reason for the amendment of this clause as it came to the Banking and Commerce Committee from the Senate, and that is the implied suggestion as the clause reads, that Canadians were not eligible for the position of actuary. Members of that Committee rather resented the form in which this clause was presented to them for their approval, and they wished to give , expression to their feelings by amending the clause. It was contended at the time by those experienced in the matter that although there was no actuarial association at present in Canada, by making this amendment, possibly before veTy long an actuarial association would be formed, so that we would not give expression to the fact that Canadians were not eligible for a position of this kind.


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Amendment agreed to, and section as amended agreed to.
Bill as amended reported.
Sir THOMAS WHITE moved the third reading of the Bill. He said: Is there any objection ito the third reading now?
Edgar Nelson Rhodes: This motion must be by unanimous consent.


[Stage Direction]
Motion agreed to, Bill read the third time and passed.
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[Stage Direction]
On motion of Sir Thomas White for the second reading of Bill 142, to amend the Customs Tariff, 1907:
James Alexander Robb: Mr. Speaker, this may be a somewhat contentious measure, and as some of us were here until two o'clock this morning, I would suggest to the hon. minister that we might now adjourn.


William Thomas White: I think it is a little early to adjourn. We are very anxious to bring the session to an end-I think that is common ground on both sides-and possibly my hon. friend would be willing to take up the next Bill, No. 25.
Motion stands.



THE BUSINESS PROFITS WAR TAX AMENDMENT.

[Stage Direction]
On motion of Sir Thomas White, Bill No. 143, to amend the Business Profits- War Tax Act, 1916, was read the second time, arfd the House went into Committee thereon, Mr. Boivin in the "Chair.
Bill reported without amendment.

[Stage Direction]
On motion of Sir Thomas White (Minister of Finance), Bill No. 144, to amend The Income War Tax Act, 1917, was read the second time and the House went into committee thereon, Mr. Boivin in the -chair.
On section 2-income.
William Thomas White: I promised the committee, when the resolution preceding the Bill was under consideration, that I would increase the age limit of each child in .respect of which the taxpayer is granted exemption of $200. To that end I move that the word " eighteen " be substituted for the word " sixteen " in the second line of paragraph (b), subsection 2 of this section.


John Howard Sinclair: This will be in addition to the statutory exemption?


William Thomas White: Yes.


[Stage Direction]
Amendment agreed to.
Andrew Ross McMaster: I find it somewhat difficult to understand the meaning of paragraph (e). It reads:

(e) In determining the income no deduction shall be allowed in respect of personal and living expenses, and in cases in which personal and living expenses form part of the profit, gain or remuneration of the taxpayer, the same shall he assessed as income for the purposes of this Act.
It seems to me that there is a lack of clearness in the first part of that paragraph. It is quite evident that no one has the right to deduct his personal and living expenses from income before he declares it for the purposes of this Act.


William Thomas White: It is just to make it clear that that deduction must not be made. All kinds of representations are put forward with a view to securing a reduction of the income assessment, and we want to make it perfectly clear that the full net income must be assessed. As to the second part of the paragraph, with reference to cases in which personal and living expenses form part of the profit, gain, or remuneration of the taxpayer, there are many who derive as a substantial part of their income the benefits of house or living expenses, and it would not be fair that these should not be taken into account.


Andrew Ross McMaster: Let us say that a Presbyterian minister gets $4,000 a year and his manse, would he be expected to pay income tax on the rental of the manse?


William Thomas White: Unless he was
specially exempted, I think that he would. But not very many Presbyterian ministers receive $4,000.


Andrew Ross McMaster: There are six, Mr. *Chairman. A man does not have to pay income tax on the rental of his house when he lives in his own house?


William Thomas White: No.


Andrew Ross McMaster: There is an anomaly
there.


William Thomas White: I agree with my hon. friend. The man who rents a house has to pay rental; the man who owns his house has the benefit of that ownership so far as income tax is concerned. That is something to which I shall give attention at the next session if possible. It raises a very difficult question, because allowance would have to be made on some basis for the capital invested in the house. All kinds of anomalies would arise in the administration of any such provision; that is
one reason why, generally speaking, it is not in income taxation measures.


Andrew Ross McMaster: Suppose a commercial traveller gets $5,000 a year and hotel and personal expenses. Under paragraph (e) he should pay income tax on those living expenses, which are really part of his remuneration. I suggest that there should be something in the Act to indicate the way in which that should be collected.


William Thomas White: It would be exceedingly difficult, if not impossible, to lay down regulations; we have to deal with individual cases as they occur. It has been brought to my attention by men who have certain living allowances that when they travel they are out of pocket; their allowances are not adequate, and they are put to other expense. Of course, they have the inconvenience of being away from home.


Jacques Bureau: So have we.


William Thomas White: I know, but a
great deal is expected of us; we cannot put our services on a money basis. The department, in the case of commercial travellers, has not added anything to the income by reason of the living expenses allowed. Whether right or not, that is the policy we have adopted.


Andrew Ross McMaster: If I may interject, the living expenses of a traveller certainly come under this clause of the Bill.


William Thomas White: They do, and this was intended to cover cases of which tha,t is an example, but whether we would be able to add on the full amount they are allowed, I am unable to say in advance. We would have to take all the facts into consideration. A man might prove that he was out of pocket; that his expenses were much more than he was allowed, and you would have to deal with each case on its merits. My experience is that income tax assessment is by no means as exact a science as algebra.


Andrew Ross McMaster: May I make this suggestion with all respect to the minister?- that if he is going to go at this income tax in this empiric sort olf way, taking merely cases as they arise, it will be a very long and unsatisfactory business. Some general principle should be laid down, say, that a commercial traveller should be assessed on say two-thirds of the living allowance given him. I quite understand that you



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cannot approximate it very closely, hut you can get some idea, and the Government should have some regulation, so that the scrupulous man who charges himself with all the living allowance which he gets from his house and pays income tax upon it, should not be under a disadvantage as compared with the other man with a more elastic conscience who says: "Well, I get $50, or $100, or $250 a month as living allowance from my house, but after all I have to spend considerably more than that," and so does not return it at all. Unless the minister and his hardworking commissioner are prepared to take up the case of every single traveller who pays income tax, which procedure would cause an immense amount of work, it would be wise to lay down some general principle which would roughly deal with the situation.
Hugh Boulton Morphy: I should like to call the attention of the minister to a complaint from the constituency which I have the honour to represent, and particularly from a large number of railway Irainmen in the city of Stratford. They complain that, in case of an engineer, conductor, fireman and brakeman, they are forced, by virtue of their occupation, to take long runs, say to the city of Buffalo, where they are compelled to remain over, probably a whole day or more until the return train is made up They are all forced from their homes, and they have to stay at rather expensive hotels. These men are out of the class that one would call the wealthy class, and although they are men of small means, they are bound to pay a tax under*- the schedule that is laid down now. They complain that while they have to keep up their own homes in Stratford where they live, with all attendant expenses, they are practically compelled to keep up a home in a hotel while they are away for probably two days in the week, or even three. This amounts to a very severe penalty upon these men, because they do not really get the income that would become taxable if you allowed them anything for the extra expenses to which they are put. I have been asked to draw this matter to the attention of the Minister of Finance and I do so in the hope-because I appreciate that the same may be true of commercial travellers-that some equitable principle may be arrived at, if not now, at some time in the future, by which a deserving case of this kind will be exempted from a taxation which

bears rather heavily under the circumstances.


William Thomas White: We shall be glad to take under consideration what has been said and will see if some regulation can be made to meet the circumstances. A commercial traveller receives his railway fare and hotel bills, and his hotel bill might reasonably be added to his income unless something exceptional can be set up, and I do not at the moment know what could be so set up. With regard to engineers and conductors, my hon. friend will see at once the difficulty that would arise there, in the different standards of living. One man might go to an expensive hotel and another to a less expensive one, and it is exceedingly difficult to lay down a regulation to meet a case of that kind. The Commissioner of Taxation has not been able up to date to see his wqy clear to make any allowance. This discussion all goes to show the difficulty of administering with scrupulous fairness an income taxation measure, but notwithstanding that difficulty every effort should be made to carry out the law.


Isaac Ellis Pedlow: 
William Thomas White: I agree with my hon-. friend. The reason why we referred to commercial travellers was because it was an obvious- case, because they do travel and are allowed expenses. The hon. member says precisely what I had in mind, namely, that it was very difficult to lay 'down rules, because as I pointed out, the expense allowances might really not be adequate. My experience has been that, whenever I have been travelling where I have had a certain allowance, I have been out of pocket, but others may be more fortunate.


Isaac Ellis Pedlow: The minister should also bear in mind the case of the man who works on- a commission basis and whose entire income will be rated for income tax purposes.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: I should like to fix in the minister's mind the distinction between a railway man and a commercial traveller.


William Thomas White: Their cases are entirely opposite.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: The ^railwayman has to pay this expense out of his own pocket always.


William Thomas White: I understand that.


John Howard Sinclair: I understand we are at section 2, and I want to draw the attention of the minister to paragraph (f) which says:
(f) Deficits or losses sustained in transactions entered into for profit but not connected with the chief business, trade, profession or occupation of the taxpayer shall not be deducted from income derived from the chief business, trade, profession or occupation of the taxpayer in determining his taxable income.
It will be very difficult 'to determine what the chief business of some firms is. I know a firm that is engaged in the investment business, lumber business and grocery business. I know their business very intimately, but it would be difficult for me to tell which is their chief business. I know another firm engaged in the shipping business and also in a machine shop business. I do not see much use in the word " chief." Why not eliminate it?


William Thomas White: I think the word "chief" is necessary to emphasize the intention. The difficulty we encounter is this: A man has an income from his occupation of say, $10,000, and he engages in stock speculation and loses two or three
thousand dollars and desires to deduct that. We will not allow him to do so. If a firm engages in half a dozen different businesses and takes a flyer on the side, we will not allow them to set up any loss in respect of that. It is surprising how often the contention is set up that something should be allowed for losses on the side. The department will administer the section in the sense that "chief occupation" means the /occupation which is actually and bona fide engaged in from day to day, and no deduction will be allowed for losses incurred in transactions, not connected therewith, such as stock transactions. Not long ago it was brought to my attention that a man who had a large income took it into his head that he could become a successful farmer. They say when a man does fancy farming he is an "agriculturist," as distinguished a "farmer" who does real farming and makes money. The "agriculturist" nearly always loses money, and we do not propose to let him set up any loss in this enterprise. We will assess him on his income. We do not desire to discourage him from going into farming, but do not think he should set up such losses against a substantial income he derives in the city.


Jacques Bureau: I desire to call the minister's attention to a matter which it seems there is a general fear to touch upon. Members of Parliament pay a tax on $2,500,, and I know of cases where members find a deficit in the personal budget when they return home. The living expenses in Ottawa take the whole of the indemnity and sometimes more, according to the length of the session. I know that this is a delicate matter, but I am not afraid to touch, it. People ought to know that not only do we not receive anything for our services here, but that while we are here we have to pay a tax, for the pleasure of being here, on money that most of us do not receive any real benefit from. I think there ought to be an allowance for living expenses. It cannot be argued that there is a great saving in the individual home, for our families have to be provided for at home while we pay separate expenses here, and we are actually out of pocket in the final result. It is not right, and whatever the country may think of my statement I speak my mind about the matter. I think, that as a matter of principle, we ought not to be called upon to pay taxes on money that does not benefit us as a matter of fact, because we would not spend that much at home.


William Thomas White: I should like
very much to meet the views of my hon. friend because I realize that there is' a great deal of justice in what he says. The sessional allowance is in the nature of an indemnity; it is not intended to be in the nature of income but to indemnify the member against his expenses in attending Parliament and also against demands that might be made upon him from day to day as a public man. When I had to do with assessments in Toronto I recall that the parliamentary allowance was looked upon as indemnity. I think one of the members of this House, the late Mr. Lancaster, brought the matter up-I am speaking now about municipal income assessment-and my recollection is that it was held by a county judge to be an indemnity and not a part of salary. On the other hand, I think it would be the view of the majority of members of Parliament that, notwithstanding the force of my hon. friend's contentions, at a time like this the public would not be likely to approve of members of Parliament escaping taxation upon their sessional indemnity. If the public could be made to realize all that is involved, they would not object so strongly, but it is almost impossible to make them realize it, and members will have to look upon this as one of the necessary sacrifices they make in connection with the public position. However, there is a great deal of weight in what my hon. friend puts forward.


Jacques Bureau: I do not want the indemnity to be exempt, but I think a certain amount should be allowed for living expenses.


William Thomas White: That would give rise to difficulties also. The living expenses of one member would differ from those of another, and that is a matter that might he misunderstood by the public. The amount involved is not large, and I think that members on the whole would rather be assessed than not. But if there is any widespread'opinion on the matter, I should like to have an expression of it.


Jacques Bureau: There will not be. People are afraid to talk.


Mr. CAHILL:: In the event of a speculator making, say $10,000 on a transaction, how will that be treated?


William Thomas White: Gains or losses in transactions on the side are disregarded, because the losses usually offset the gains.

I am told that in stock transactions ninety per cent are usually losses.


Andrew Ross McMaster: Does not a man pay
income tax on a successful stock transaction?


William Thomas White: It works both ways. He pays on his dividend, of course. But if he takes a flyer and makes something, next week he might take another flyer and lose it.


John Howard Sinclair: In subsection 5 on page 3,	" dividends and shareholders'
bonuses," the Act provides that dividends or bonuses paid to shareholders by a corporation on or after the first of January, 1917, shall be taxable as income. The Bank of Nova Scotia has a surplus twice as large as its capital. If they decided to distribute that surplus ot any part of it at any time, it having bexn accumulated prior to 1917, would it be taxable against the shareholders?


William Thomas White: My hon. friend
will observe a date, the purpose of which is to give the Act a start. A reserve prior to the date mentioned, 1st January, 1917, is treated as capital, and if there was a distribution of that it would be regarded as capital distribution rather than income. If they have added to that reserve since and made a distribution, the dividend derived from that would be assessable.
On section 3, subseotion (a)-Normal tax.


William Thomas White: It has been
drawn to our attention that there are some unmarried people wh o have dependent fathers or mothers, or both. Take the case of a young woman earning $1,600 a year and having to maintain an invalid father or mother.
We have" thought it well to classify such a person with married persons, widows and widowers with dependent children. We exempt up to the extent of $2,000 married persons and widows or widowers having dependent children. We want to put into that class unmarried people who have a father or mother depending upon them for support. To accomplish that I beg to move that:
The section-page 4, line 1, be amended by inserting after word " children " the words " and persons who are not supporting dependent brothers or sisters under the age of eighteen years or a dependent parent or parents."
I think that is just. It was drawn to my attention by some one.


John Howard Sinclair: I have been asked to draw the minister's attention to the case of unmarried women. Why should an unmarried woman have to pay a larger tax than a married woman? Take the case of two sisters, one of whom is unmarried. They both get the same income; we will say that it is $4,000 a year. The married one has her husband to support her and she has her $4,000 for pin or pocket money. The unmarried one has no husband to support her. She gets the same amount but she has to pay on $3,000, whereas the married one only has to pay on $2,000 simply because she is married. What is the reason of that? It is regarded as an inequality, a discrimination against the unmarried women, and some women have asked me to draw the matter to the attention of the minister. I am quite in sympathy with taxing the unmarried man, but I am not in favour of taxing the unmarried woman to a greater extent than the married woman.


William Thomas White: The reason underlying the distinction is that married people are supposed to have greater responsibilities towards children and the upkeep of the home. That is the only reason I can give my hon. friend. There may be some anomalies in the administration of the Act, but the principle is sound.


John Howard Sinclair: The husband is responsible.


William Thomas White: The wife may have to keep the house.


Andrew Ross McMaster: It is not so ordinarily. The husband may be a trial to the wife, but usually he is a means of financial gain, and it is ridiculous, as my hon. friend from Guysborough (Mr. Sinclair) so well pointed out, that Miss B. with an income of $3,000, let us say, has to pay on $2,000, while her sister, Mrs. C., with exactly the same income, and with a husband to rely upon, has to pay on only $1,000. That is an anomaly that the minister should correct. It is not reasonable, it is unjust, and the idea that the minister gives that children are to be supported, does not hold water. As a rule the husband maintains the family; the wife has, as a rule, the income for herself unless she wishes to join forces with her husband to live in a style more luxurious than they would be living in had the family to depend entirely upon the earnings of the husband. Under these conditions it is unjust to tax an unmarried woman more heavily than a married woman.


William Thomas White: To give effect to what is suggested would mean that the unmarried woman with no responsibility would have to be exempt up to $2,000, whereas the man without responsibility is exempt to the amount of $1,000. I think that a woman without responsibility and having an income of $2,000 might very well be assessed. The real question is as to whether there should be one exemption only in the case of husband and wife.


Andrew Ross McMaster: I think there should.


William Thomas White: There is a good deal to be said for that, and it has been discussed pro and con. But we would not be justified in stating that a man. should be exempt to the extent of $1,000 while a woman with no responsibility should be exempt up to $2,000, because a man usually has more responsibilities than a woman has.


Andrew Ross McMaster: Instead of bringing the unmarried woman's exemption up to $2,000 it might be proper to bring the married woman's exemption down to $1,000; or you might do what the hon. member for Kingston (Mr. Nickle) has been urging the Minister of Finance to do for some years- regard the husband's and wife's income as a joint income and give one exemption in relation to it. That would possibly do away with this difficulty, because the present situation is not Jair, and, I think, rather works to the disadvantage of the revenue.


Jacques Bureau: Let her marry.


Andrew Ross McMaster: The hon. member (Mr. Bureau) suggests: Let the girl marry. That may not be within the power of the young lady herself.


Isaac Ellis Pedlow: Should that exemption not be extended to the case of unmarried persons having grandparents to support? There are many such cases.


John Howard Sinclair: I think grandparents otight to he put in.


William Thomas White: I have a good deal of sympathy with the grandparents. How would it do to add, after the word " parents," " grandparent or grandparents?"


Andrew Ross McMaster: Or make it " ascendants in the direct line."


William Thomas White: Oh, no. I beg to move;
That the words " grandparent or grandparents " he added.


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Isaac Ellis Pedlow: Before talcing up the next clause I would like to call attention to another class of people who are escaping taxation and I think it is unfortunate that they should do so.
There is a large class of people, more particularly in the large centres of Toronto and Montreal, employed as operators in garment factories. They are foreigners, and their incomes are very large. Those unacquainted with the business have no idea of the large sums these people earn from week to week, from month to month, and from year to year. They are a wandering class of people, and I am told by those who know, that their incomes range from $50 to $90 or $100 per week. I realize the difficulty in reaching that class, and therefore I would suggest to the Minister of Finance that the employers of these people collect from them a certain amount each week to be retained and paid pver to the income tax department, making the employers responsible for the collection. I am morally certain it would secure a large addition to the revenue of the country if these people could be reached in any way.


William Thomas White: We call for returns from the employer in all these cases where over $1,000 a year is paid in wages. I know that what my hon. friend says as to the amount these people receive is correct, or substantially so. The fact was incidentally drawn to my attention not very long ago that some of these garment makers made very high rates of pay. I do not say that they do not earn that pay, no doubt they do. They must be very expert, and earnings of $60 or $70 a week may not be out of the way, although they may appear large for the work that is done. At any rate we d-o get returns from all these merchant tailors and others.


Isaac Ellis Pedlow: These people cannot be assessed under their yearly income, they work from day to day, and week to week, and they change around from place to place. In spite of that they are a class of people who earn very high remuneration for the work they do. If the department simply aocepts the statement of the employers as to the yearly income it will not reach these people at all. You will have to get at them in another way, obtain returns of their weekly income, and see that their employers secure the taxes that these workers should be called upon to pay.
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William Thomas White: I am glad to have the matter drawn to the attention of the Commissioner of Taxation.
I now wish to move an amendment-, by inserting the following clause immediately before clause 4:
4. Section five of the said Act is amended by adding thereto the following paragraph:-
" (i) Income derived from any pension granted to any member of His Majesty's military, naval or air forces for any disability suffered by the pensioner while serving in any of His Majesty's forces during the war that began in August, one thousand nine hundred and fourteen, and the income derived from any pension granted to any dependent relative of any person w'ho was killed or suffered any disability while serving in the said forces in the said war."
I think that meets the suggestion put forward by the hon. member for St. Antoine (Sir Herbert Ames) and concurred in. by the hon. member for Maisonneuve (Mr. Lemieux).


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On section 5-books of account must be kept:
Frank S. Cahill: Will the minister explain what kind of books he will require for the farming community?


William Thomas White: The hon. gentleman will observe that " adequate " books are called for.


Jacques Bureau: That is pretty broad.


William Thomas White: The provision has some flexibility and it is in the discretion of the minister whether he will call for books or not. It would seem to me impossible to require the farming community to keep books, although I think many farmers do so. I have pointed out some difficulties in assessing the farming community, but nevertheless we will have to do the best we can.


John Howard Sinclair: The minister told us that in a previous section which has been concurred in a penalty has been provided for not making the required return. Is it the purpose of the department to take any steps to deal with defaulters?


William Thomas White: The amended provision will enable us to do so. Under the Act as it stands the only thing we can do is to summon the delinquent party before a magistrate, and that is not a very satisfactory way of dealing with the matter. I

think the experience of governments in administering the income tax is that nothing brings payment so promptly as a penalty. That principle is observed in the case of municipal taxation; if you do not pay your taxes promptly a certain percentage is added. The income tax law being on the statute books we must enforce it, and there must be a penalty to enable the department to do so. It is very much better not to have such a law in operation if we do not assess in full. As far as we are concerned we are going to give the Act a very strict interpretation.	-
Mr-. PEDLOW: If the department will grant a discount I think it will be more
effective in securing prompt payment than a penalty. I have in mind the experience of the municipality of the town of Renfrew.


Rodolphe Lemieux: And the city of Ottawa.


Isaac Ellis Pedlow: The town of Renfrew gets on the specified date almost the entire amount of taxation due, by allowing discount for prompt payment.


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Bill reported, and amendments read the first and second time, and concurred in.
On the motion of Sir Thomas White the House adjourned at 11.07 p.m.
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Abbreviations.-lr„ 2r„ 3r.= first, second, or third reading. Arndt. = Amendment. Com.= Committee. Con. = Consideration. Div. = Division. M. = Motion. Ques.= Question. Ref. - Reference. Rep. = Report. Res. = Resolution. Sec. = Section.	'
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 13, 41, 73, 116, 141, 185, 230, 272, 318, 358, 399, 424, 463, 514, 551 No quorum, order lapses, 397; reinstated, 398
Adjournment. See House of Commons Admiralty Court, Montreal, ques. 1440
Advertising. See Government advertising Aeronautics, 1264, ques. 1340. See also Air Board
Air Service, 4689
Canada's hinterland, development by, 302 European-Asiatic route via Canada, 305 Mail service, by, 2036 Naval air bases, ques. 1532 Permanent Force in Canada, 2867 Transatlantic flight by Hawker, 2564
Age of Consent. See Criminal Code
Agricultural Education. See Technical Education	[DOT]
Agricultural Implements, 4008 Duties on, 3690 Freight rates on, 3926
Agriculture
Bulls, Ayrshire and Holstein, ques. 601 Department of
Orders in Council respecting, tabled, 270 Report of, tabled, 111 Staff and salaries, 2959 Experimental farms, prices, markets, pests, cold storage, etc., 2959-2976 Live stock .
Bulls, Ayrshire and Holstein, ques. 601 Agriculture and Colonization, Committee, 113, 2652, 4376
Air Board Bill, lr., 1865; 2r„ com., 2050; 3r., 2143
Provincial jurisdiction, 2052, 2060 Alcohol. See Proprietary; Prohibition
Aliens, 222, 375, 497. See also Asiatics; Immigration Act Arndt.; Naturalization Enemies
Deportation of, 1946 Volume I:
Aliens-Con.
Interned, 1712, 1947; ques. 1611 Naturalization of. See British nationality
Discrimination-charged, 376 Non-alien territory, in, 1947 Policy respecting, 753 Prohibition of certain classes, Motion, Mr. Stevens, 769
Property and trade amongst, ques. 844 Property of, custodian, ques. 1535 West in, conduct of, 2320 Allan, Mr. G. W. (South Winnipeg)
Board of Commerce, 4511 Industrial unrest, Winnipeg strike, returned soldiers, etc., 3061 Militia, Permanent Force, 3979 Titles, 1474
Alpine Club, 4046
Ames, Sir Herbert B. (St. Antoine)
Baker, the late Lieut.-Col. Geo. Harold, M.P., 4456
Board of Commerce, 4527-8 Canadian Patriotic Fund Bill, 3738 Divorce, 3778	.
Housing scheme, 2536, 2542, 2546 Immigration Act Arndt.. 1950 Income Tax, ques. 2049, 3722, 3729-35 Peace Treaty, copy of terms, 4239 Pensions, 4182-9, 4196-7, 4277, 4298 "Unmarried wife," 4277 Purchasing Department, Commissioners' Salaries, 3815
Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment, 2768-9 Soldiers* Land	Settlement -* improving
farms, 3882
Unsalaried war workers, 3815 Victory Bonds, ques. 2047
Amherst
Amherst Mineral Water Company, ques. 3997
Carriage Factory building, ques. 3997.
Dr. Goodwin and Dr. Bliss, ques. 3377, ques. 4070
Internment Camp, 3848, ques. 4070 Morris, Col., ques. 2565
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Argue, Mr. Ira E. (Swift Current) Agricultural fairs, 2996-7 Arid Belt, so called, irrigation station, 2974
Budget, 3577; Liberal Unionists, 3577; Treatment of immigrants - wheat prices, 3578; Tariff Commission, 3579 Highways and railways, 742 Judges in Saskatchewan, 2311 Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment, 2765-6 Argue, Lieut.-Col. J. F., ques. 3068 Argyll House. See War, Military Management
Arisaig Wharf, 2780
Armstrong, Mr. Joseph E. (East Lambton) Athabasca and Grande Prairie Railway Company, 2778-9 Canadian Pacific Railway, 3215 Inter-Imperial trade-ocean transport rates -Board of Investigation, 3240, 3327 Pelee Island, 4041
Railway Act Consolidation Bill, 2625 Railway Committee, 1864, 1886 Steamship Services, 3829-30 Railway Act Amendment Bill (Coastwise and Inland water traffic), 71 United States, management of ships in, 2210 ,
Upper Lakes, Government ships on, 2255 Water-borne traffic and rates, control of, 2068, 2929-40
Water-powers, Dominion control, 2530 Armistice. See Peace; League of Nations Army, Canadian permanent. See Militia Act Amendment
Arthurs, Mr. James (Parry Sound)
Budget, 3672. Labour unrest

returned soldiers, 3673; tariff and cost of living, 3674; Tariff Board, 3675 Divorce Court Bill, 3784, 3786 French River waterway, 1087 Mail contractors, 2089
Naturalization, powers of Secretary of State, 4112 Pensions, 4173
Purchasing Commission, 3813 Sailors' wages, 2600 Soldiers' Land Settlement, 3865, 3870 Arthurs, Colonel James, M.P.
Service pay and expenses, ques. 2653
Asiatics in Canada, 433, 1048, 1976 Naturalization and voting, 3822 Asphalt, oil for manufacture of, 4003
Atlantic, Quebec and Western Railway, ques.
Auditor General, death of, 115
Auditor General's report, 138, 312, 514, 744
Australia, markets and shipbuilding, 2207, 2222
Automobiles, Government-owned in Ottawa, ques. 880
Baker, the late Col. Geo. Harold, 549, 2224, 4456
Pension to unmarried sisters, 3004
Baldwin, Mr. Willis K. (Stanstead)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 332; Demobilization-development of natural resources, 332; housing -capital and labour, 333; franchise- Siberian expedition - inland revenue stamp taxes, 334; farmers and production-Department of Trade and Commerce, 335; infant mortality, 336 Budget, 3276. Reciprocity-titles, 3276; public debt-commissions, 3277; shipbuilding-produce and save, 3278; Franchise Act-good roads, 3279; Quebec, 3280
Emigration to United States, ques. 2046
Good roads, 4390
Weights and measures, 2156-8
Ball, Mr. Robt. J. (Southeast Grey)
Fire prevention, 1579 Telephone companies, 2650
Ballantyne, Hon. Charles C. (Minister of Marine and Fisheries and Minister of the Naval Service)
Biological Board, 2568
Budget, 3270. Liberal Party and Free Trade, 3270; Manufacturers and the tariff, 3271; War Profits Tax, 3272; United States competition - foreign trade, 3273; shipping and shipbuilding, 3275; moderate protection, 3275 Buoys, etc., 2608
Canada Shipping Act Amdt. Bill,'' 2802-8, 3755, 3928-38
Cold storage, Montreal warehouse, 1619 Crerar, Hon. T. A., resignation of, 3270 Dominion steamers, 2600 Fisheries Act. Amdt. Bill (British Columbia), 2097, 3758-61
Fisheries patrol service, oyster culture, lobsters, hatcheries, etc., 2887-2903 Halifax Harbour Master, 2693-5, 2800-02 Industrial unrest-Speech at Verdun, 3241 Life-saving stations, 2850 Lighthouses and keepers, 2608-9, 2613 Livestock shipments, inspection, 2602 Marine and Fisheries Department, salaries, etc., 2600
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Boisdale Wharf, 2780
Bolshevism, 35, 42, 105, 111, 127, 141, 143, 145, 160, 247, 3-54, 368, 371, 435, 479, 1062-8, 2284, 2285, 4691 Calgary labour meeting, 1343 " Fellow Bolsheviki," 1997 Siberian Expedition and, 319 Trotsky, Leon, ques. 880 See also Criminal Code; Immigration; Industrial unrest
Boivin, Mr. George Henry (Shefford). See Deputy Speaker
Bonneil, Mr. Saul (East Kootenay)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 445
Boots and Shoes from United States, ques. 978
Boots, purchase of, 3202
Borden, Right Hon. Sir Robert (Prime Minister)
Bell, Lt.-Col. McKelvey, 3240, 3473 Birthday congratulations, 4133 Board of Commerce, 4466, 4474, 4554 British Nationality, Naturalization and Aliens Acts Consolidation Bill, 3585 Bruce Report, 4001 Canada Shipping amdt., 3936-7 Canadian Pacific Railway Bill, 3214 Canadians in the war-the nation's gratitude, 4696
Civil Service. See under this head Industrial unrest
Collective bargaining. See under this head Industrial unrest
Crerar, Hon. T. A., resignation of, 3193 Divorce Court Bill, 3777, 3789, 3791 Dominion Elections Act Amdt., 4621-5, 4644-9
Franchise Bill, 2906 -Georgian Bay Canal, 2855 Good Roads, 4426-30
Suggested amdt., 4430-2 Gundy, Mr. W. P., death of, 3211 Horse racing, 4466
House of Commons, Saturday and morning sittings, 3420
Business of the House-^legislation pending, 3999	>
Postponement of legislation, 4690 Inter-Imperial trade, Board of Investigation, ocean transport and rates, 3240, 3327
Industrial Relations Commission, 4621 Industrial unrest, 3056
Borden, Right Hon. Sir Robert-Con. Collective bargaining, 2908 Conference, 2908, 3195 Peace Conference labour principles, 2852 Postal employees, Calgary, 3194
Post office appointments after, 4347-8 Strikes, 3056
Ottawa Street Railway, 4535 Toronto, 2851, 2953
Winnipeg, 2953, 3069-70, 3472,	3587,
Trial of arrested parties, 3740 Intoxicating Liquors Bill-Senate Amdt., 4071-2, 4133 Free conference, 4497
"intoxicating liquors, interprovincial trade in, opinion of Minister and Deputy Minister of Justice, 4133 Letter postage rate, ,4621 Members, absence of from Chamber, 3195 Peace celebration, 4238
Peace Conference, presence at. See Peace Conference
Peace Treaty, copy of terms, 4239 Ratification of, 3937 Signing of, 3473 Labour provisions, 4239, 4692 Poland and Ukranians, etc., 3472, 4534, 4620, 4690
Privilege, Manitoba Cold Storage Company, 4695
Proportional representation, 3069, 4620 Purchasing Commission, 3209, 3215, 4453-5 Railway Act Consolidation Control of rates, 4144
. Rates, three-year limit, amdt., 4147, 4152; res. moved, 4169; agreed to, 4170 Senate amdts., 3473-4 Telephones, 4167 Red Cross Society, 3162-4 Return from Europe, reception by the House, 2800
Senators, responsibility for opinions of, 4152
Shipping for St. Lawrence coal trade, 4335 Soldiers' votes, statement of Mr. W. T. R.
Preston, 4135 Wheat, prices, 4466
Canada's contract with Greece, 2907 Ypres, war memorial, 4465
Boughton Island, P.E.I., 2784 Bourdreault, Benjamin, Judge of Exemption, ques. 1439
Bourassa, Mr. Joseph B. (LSvis)
LSvis aqueduct, ques. 1789 Separation allowance, ques. 1908 Transcontinental Railway, accidents, ques. 1211
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Public ownership, 1748 Securities
Advances and, 1777-8 Issue of, 1780 Other companies, of, 1781 Steamships, 1682, 1689 Town sites, 1769
Work for the general advantage of Canada, 1706
Civil Service re-classification, 3927 Conference with Senate, no suspension of sitting of House, 3948-9 Criminal Code, aliens and British subjects, 4358-61
Dominion lands, pulp, etc., 4251-4 Dominion water-powers, 2512-32 Electric and Power Companies Bill, 4572-81 Arndt, 4580; neg., 4588 Good roads, 3909, 3911-2, 4395, 4423, 4426-7 Housing scheme, 2557-61 Income War Tax Arndt.
Members of Parliament, sessional expenses, 3991-2 Iron, galvanized, 3689 Judges' salaries, 4218, 4235, 4368, 4435-7 Jacobs, Mr., personal explanation, 4234 National harbours, advantages of Three Rivers, 3754
Negroes, rioting in England by, 3741
Newsprint control, 4540-1
Orders in Council, government by, 2557
Teace, celebration, 4238
Pensions, 4193-5, 4197
" Unmarried wife," 4208-10 Purchasing Commission, 3195,	3810-15,
4439-45, 4453-4
Railway Act Consolidation Bill, 2619-39 Telephone companies, 2647 Steamship services, 1289 Technical Education Bill, 3791-3808 Decennial payment to provinces, 3892 Toronto Suburban Railway Company, ques. 1611
Tuberculosis, Indians, 4062 Welland Canal contracts, 1594-6 Bureau of Statistics, 3838
Burnham, Mr. John Hampden (West Peterborough)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 108. Liberal party-reconstruction, 108; wages and cost of living, 110; Bolshevism, 111 Budget, 3599. Minister of Finance-Dominions' interchange of Governors General-Protection or free trad;e, 3599, 3601; Union Government, 3600; land held vacant for speculation, 3601 Canadian National Railway, 1801
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" Catholic " or " Roman Catholic," 1385 Civil Service, Outside, delay in appointments, ques. 3680
Combines and trusts in Great. Britain, 3741
Cost of production, cost of consumption, 2854
Fertilizers Act Amdt., 2466 Foreign credits and home supplies, 3836 Harbours, national, control of, 3746-8 High cost of living and minimum wage, 2908
Income tax, allowance for children, 3724 Industrial unrest, cost of living, wages, etc., 3015
Judges' salaries, 2958 National economic interests, 2253 Public ownership, 1801 Purchasing Commission, 3203 Titles, 1457, 2712, 2715, 2731 Transmission lines on highways, municipal powers, 3088-9, 3110 Trent Canal
Rates of wages, ques. 3586 Remuneration to returned soldiers, ques. 3470
War trophies, 2043
Burrell, Hon. Martin (Secretary of State and Minister of Mines)
Bolshevism, 2285 Briquetting lignite, 3472, 4488 British Nationality, Naturalization, etc., Bill, 3819
Daylight saving, 914
Geological Survey and mines development, 4491-2
Government advertising, 2023 Government Printing Bureau
Civil Service CommissiO'n and, 1812 Strike, 230, 312, 399, 513 Immigration Act Amdt.-advocates of violence, 2285
Military Service Act, uniformity of administration, 1320 Mines Branch, 4489-91 Naturalization, 4264-5 Non-ferrous metals, 3682 Peat experiments, 4489
Public Printing and Stationery Dept.
reorganization, 4687 Purchasing Commission, 3220-2 Tariff, Mr. McMaster's proposed amdt., 833 Technical education, 3801 Wounded soldiers, Civil Service positions for, 986
Business Profits Tax. See olso Budget; Revenue Bills Proceeds; ques. 1791 Butter, price of, 1618
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British Nationality, Naturalization, etc., Bill, 3S21
Budget, 3643. Resignations from Government-Opposition leadership, 3643; all protectionists, 3644; shipping, coal and steel, 3644
Civil Service, sessional employees, 1558 Expropriation, Dominion water-powers, 2518
Housing scheme, 2548
Militia, Permanent Force, 3981
Military Service, Guelph Novitiate, 1250
Naturalization, 4271
Nova Scotia Highways Board, 4435
Patronage, 1272
Pensions, 4280
War expenditure ($350,000,000), shipping and trade, 2234 Cables, 1052, 2794
State control of, 1827 Cadet Corps. See Militia
Cahill, Mr. Frank S. (Pontiac)
Air Board Bill, 2051-3 Bank mergers, 1095 Banks, excess circulation, 635 Canadian Government Railways, 2458, 2460 Canadian National Railway Company Bill, 1405, 1414, 1421 Annual meeting, 1799 Canadian Northern subsidiaries, 1784 Capital stock, 1777 Directors, 1627, 1639, 1799 Extension of time for construction of lines, 1717, 1770-6 First meeting, 1659, 1664-5 Governor in Council instead of shareholders, 1675
Parliamentary control, 2119 Political influence, 1633 Profit sharing with employees, 1622 Publicity, 1644 Public ownership, 1770, 2219 Civil Service, 2913 Cold storage, 2984-5	,
Combines, 4568 Cost of living, 4332 Dominion water-powers, 2513, 2516 Electric and Power Companies Bill, 4587 Experimental farms, 2976-8 Fertilizers Act Arndt., 1569 Fire prevention, 1574, 1585 Fisheries Act Arndt. (Salmon), 3759 Fisheries Department, salaries, etc., 2889 2893
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Housing scheme, 2538-40, 2561, 2564 Immigration and Colonization Department, work of, 2570, 2593-4 Advertising, 2597-9 Exodus of settlers, 2579 Free land as attraction for settlers 2572-4
Hutterites and Mennonites, 2570 Land speculation and, 2574 North Ontario as field for, 2574 Income tax Farmers and, 3735 Publicity, 3718 Timber limits, 3721 Industrial unrest, 2908, 2953 Winnipeg strike, 2508, 2753 Lobster packing, 2989 Ottawa-Pembroke postal service, 2034 Packing companies, taxation, 4478 Parliament Building, 2336, 2340-1 Pensions, 4292
Railways, nationalization of, politics and, etc., 667-671
St. John and Quebec Railway, 2799-2800 Seed grain, 628, 1030 Shipbuilding, 4684 Steamship subsidies, 1293 Surveys, 4049-55
Tariff, Mr. McMaster's proposed amdt., 831 Transmission lines on highways, consent of municipalities, 3099-3104. 3115 Welland Canal contract, 1594-7
Calder, Hon. J. A. (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 62.	Victory-after-war problems, 63; demobilization, 64; employment-soldier settlement, 65; reconstruction and repatriation, 67; progressive legislation-returned soldiers, 68; United Canada party, 69; tariff, 70 Aliens. See, under this head, Immigration Budget, the, 3337. Union Government-* tariff, 3338; elections, 3339; tariff revision, 3340; gravity of pending questions, 3341
Canadian National Railway Branch lines in Saskatchewan, 1766-7 Connor, Mr., Immigration agent, 2591-3 Dominion Elections Act, 4651, 4656-7 Exhibitions, 2600, 4682 Garden villages for returned soldiers, 767 Good roads, 787, 3917
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Immigration. See also, under this head. Immigration Act Arndt.; Immigration and Colonization Department Belgians, 2587 Canada's attractions, 2573 Chinese, of, 1975, 2599 Dangerous and undesirable aliens, 759 Great Britain, from, 2594 Hutterites and Mennonites, 1875, 2570-1 Northern Ontario and Quebec, 2573-4 Nova Scotia and New Brunswick, to, 2573, 2582 Policy
All Canada, for, 2585 Need for, 2577 United States, from, 2598 Immigration Act Amdt. Bill, 1206, 1866-83, 3175, 3211-3 Acts of violence, 2283 Conspiracy, ques. 1949 Deportees, 1978 Domicile, 1971, 2286 Enemy aliens, 1945 Espionage, 1948 Illiterates, 1954, 1960, 1964 Non-enemy aliens in enemy territory, 1947
Officers, 1972
Psycopathic inferiority, 1945 Immigration and Colonization Department Advertising, 2597-8	'
Agencies, 2569, 2586-94 Colonization work, 2570 Connor, Mr., agent,^2591-3 Deputy Minister
Extra work, payment for, 2441, 2442 Purposes and methods of, 1972, 2568, 2572, 2594, 2598
Land grants to Canadian Northern, 1873 Land prices in the West, 2579 Patriotic Fund, 3240, 3738 Public Health, 1199
Director General of, 2572 Quarantine, 4682 Retaining settlers, 2579, 2590 Technical education, res., vote $10,000,000, 3164-74
Technical Education Bill, 3791-3808 Distribution of grants, 4136 Town planning, 767 United States head tax, 1111, 1942
Campbell, Mr. J. A. (Nelson)
Budget, 3556. Public debt and natural resources, 3556; Manitoba's forests, fisheries and mines, 3558; Great War Veterans' scheme of mineral prospecting, 3560; development of resources by
Campbell, Mr. J. A.-Con.
Government, 3561; Stefansson's proposition for development of the North, 3561; Mr. McMaster's amdt., 3564 Canadian National Railway, 1837 Lines, description of, 1838 Dominion Elections Act, 4647-8 Experimental farm, 2979 Good roads, 4409 Hudson Bay Railway, 4688 Judges' salaries, 2958 Land for soldiers-forest reserves, 3070-3 Naturalization, 4126
Railway Act Consolidation Bill, statistics, 2651-2 Titles, 2744
Canada Evidence Act Amdt. Bill, lr., 928;
2r., 1383, 1388; com., 1388; 3r 1619 Canada Food Board
Expenses, ques. 602, ques. 613 Fish, 121; ques. 2750 Licenses, ques. 602
Reports of Controller McFall, 4070, ques. 4464
Revenues, ques. 602 Canada Grain Act, administration, 3837
Canada Grain Act Amdt. Bill. Res., 3940, 3949; lr., 3966; 2r„ com., 4073, 4380; 3r„ 4380; Senate amdts., 4662 Appeal Board, 4099 Surplus, 4073, 4380
Canada Medical Act Amdt. Bill. lr„ 3240 Canada Registration Act
Cost and result, ques. 728 Lamontagne, Miss., ques. 1957, ques. 2145 Operation, ques. 844 Pictou, registrar at, ques. 2144
Canada Shipping Act Amdt. Bills
1.	Pilotage and harbour masters. Res.,
2802; lr., 2808; 2r„ com., 3157; 3r„ 3162
2.	Transfer of ships. Res., 3754; lr., 3757;
2r., com., 392S; 3r., 4002
Canada Trade Commission, 4493 Canada Year Book, 3839
Canadian Council of Agriculture. See Council
Canadian Expeditionary Force. See War
Canadian Government Merchant Marine.
See also Shipping
Rates of freight charged by, ques. 4241 Vessel for, ques. 3998
Canadian Mining Institute, 4492
Canadian Mission in London, ques. 1905
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Appointments on, 3175 Chambly, ques. 2045 , Trent, returned soldiers, ques. 3470 Wages, ques. 3586 Welland, lock tenders, ques. 604 Construction, 1592
Canned Goods. See Weights and Measures;
Meat and Canned Foods Cannon, Mr. Lucien (Dorchester)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 264. Late Sir Wilfrid Laurier -military service defaulters, 264; Canada's war record, comparison of provinces-national unity-Peace Conference, attendance of Prime Minister, 265; German fleet-Canadian Navy- Canada a nation, 266; the Press-reconstruction, 267; party government- Union Government, 268; legislation by Order in Council-provincial rights, 269; franchise, 270 Bankruptcy Bill-Provinces and, 2008 Blondin, Hon, P. B., Postmaster General, 2042
Budget, the, 3413. Hon. Mr. Calder and Hon. Mr. Crerar, 3414; Peace Conference, 3415; public finance, 3416; industrial unrest, 3417; development of the Cabinet as an institution, 3419 Canadian National Railway Lines in United States, 1693 Lines to be included, 1686 National Transcontinental, damage claims, ques. 616 Parliamentary control, 1670-1 Pesident's salary, 1659 Canadian soldiers in Ireland, ques. 849 Divorce Court Bill, 3789 Dominion parks, 2302 Expropriation for, 2304 Dorchester county
Level crossing accident, ques. 972 Mail service, ques. 729 Telephone lines, ques. 849 German merchant fleet, 1289 Good roads, 4418 Immigration
Deported conspirators, 1950 Illiterates, 1954
Non-enemy aliens in enemy territory, ' 1947
Kent House site, ques. 976 Laflamme, Mr., expenses of, 2042 Langelier, Mr. Justice, 1323
Cannon, Mr. Lucien-Con.
Military Service Act, uniformity of administration, 1323 Pensions, 2692
Pomeroy, Major A. L„ ques. 2657 Proprietary medicines, 2487 Public health, jurisdiction, 1199 Quebec Harbour Commission, ques. 601 Railway Act-" avocats," 2632 Royal Northwest Mounted Police, 2695 Technical education, 3795, 3805-7 Titles, 2727
War Expenditure Bill, " any measure deemed n'ecessary or advisable," 2244
Canso
Censorship, ques. 847 Distressed seamen, 2614 Harbour Master, 3158 Capilano Bridge, 2790
Capital and Labour. See Industrial Unrest Capital Punishment, 1957 Carleton, Que., mail service, ques. 727 Carter, Mr. T. J„ Solicitor, Public Works Department, 1270, 1274 Carvell, Hon. F. B. (Minister of Public Works)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 41. Reconstruction, 41; Bolshevism-Government expenditure, 42; shipping-unemployment - highways, 43; Department of Public Works, 44; housing, 45; branch railways-demands upon the Government, 46; local public works, 47; Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment-income .and other taxes, 48; wanted, $100,000,000 a year, 49; immigration-duty of private employers, 50 Aerial service and works, 1265 Cables, 2794
Canadian National Railway, position of Intercolonial, 2135 Daylight Saving, 91 Dominion Elections Act Amdt., 4647-59 Dry docks, 2360, 4307 French River waterway, 1080 Harbours and rivers, 4613 Highways Aid Bill, 740-3, 4405 Hospitals, 1264
Hydroplane stations, 1263, 1274 La Prairie dyke road, 4059 Militia pensions, 2756
Ottawa City, arrangement with, 2495-2500, 4380-5
Ottawa highways, 2791-2 Parliament buildings, 2331-41, 4621 Provincial voters' lists, 2446 Public buildings, 4610-2 Public works, explanations in Committee, 2359-94, 2780-97
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Demands on Government for, 46, 2792 Department-staff, salaries, etc., 1262, 1266-70
Railway Act Consolidation-transmission lines on highways, hydro-electric, 3097, 3106-8, 3112, 3117, 3120 St. John Harbour, 2369, 4301-6, 4337-8 St. John and Quebec Railway, 2800 St. Charles River works, 1297 Seignorial rights, 2787 Slides and booms, 4607
Tariff, Mr. McMaster's proposed amdt.,,828 Telegraphs and telephones, 2793-6, 4608 Tender and contract, 1263 Titles, 2737
War structures and works, 1263 Wireless, 2794-5
Casgrain, Mr. P. F. (Charlevoix-Montmor-ency)
Budget, 3427. Complaint of governmental delay, 3427; prices, 3429; patronage, 3430; wealthy ministers, 3431; extravagant expenditure, 3432; taxes, 3433; Government and the Press, 3434; "Produce and save," 3435 Canadian National Railway, 1835 Branch lines, 1693
Governor in Council instead of shareholders, 1675 Intercolonial, ques. 756 Quebec and Saguenay Railway Baie St. Paul, branch, 2449 Flag stations, 1690
Transcontinental, accidents, ques. 1211 Capital punishment, commutation, 753 Compassionate allowance, case for, 3175 Debates, printing of, 424 Desjardins, Mr. Charles ("Ti-noir"), ques. 750
Dominion Bills, issues of, ques. 616 Experimental farms, ques. 1077 Gobeil-Simard investigation, ques. 619 Government printing, ques. 844 Isle aux Coudres, 2609 Laflamme, Mr. J. K. L., ques. 750 ' Lighthouses and keepers, 2608 Newsprint inquiry, ques. 752 Pilots, 2613 Prohibition, 2358 Steamers
Cold storage on, ques. 882 " Champlain," ques. 616, 2606, 2614 War, correspondence concerning, motion dropped, 753
Water-borne traffic, rates, 2946 Winnipeg strike, 2508
Casselman, Mr. Orren D. (Dundas) Highways, 787, 789, 790	'
Weights and measures, 2153 "Catholic" or "Roman Catholic,1' 1383-8 Cavell, Edith, monument to, 2447 Censorship, 226, 295, 1110 Cable, ques. 847
Hazel Hill and Canso, ques. 847 Literature, forbidden, case of J. H. Lewis, 270
Removal of, 135
Chambly Canal highway, ques. 2045 Champlain Market wharves, ques. 1438 Chaplin, Mr. James D. (Lincoln)
Prohibition, 2349 Charges of Management, 4475 Charlottetown Convalescent Home, ques. 2296, 4464
Charlton, Mr. William A. (Norfolk)
Daylight Saving, 913
Chartered Banks, Excess Circulation Bill.
See Finance Act Charters, Mr. Samuel (Peel)
Prohibition, 2663
Child Welfare. See Public health Children, medicines for. See Proprietary Chinese in Canada. See Asiatics; Immigration
Chisholm, Mr. Alexander W. (Inverness) Amherst internment camp, 4070 Buoy picked up, 2607
Cheticamp and Grand Etang, port physician, 2614
Forsyth, Mr. J. R., ques. 4379 Inverness Railway, 4614 ' Mail contracts, 2082 Port Hood wharf, 2782 Steamship services
Halifax and West Cape Breton, 1302, 3828 Hendrie & Co., 3830
' Sick Mariners' Fund and fishermen, 2615 Circulation and Reserve, ques. 614, 637. See also Finance Act
Civil Service. See also Civil Service Act Arndt. For Departments, see their titles Appointments, ques. 2049 Temporary,- 279 Commission, 85, 293, 404, 1498 Appointments by, 161-6, 260, 963, 3230 Charges against
Chief clerk of files, 163, 286 Fruit inspector, 161, 282 Immigration and Colonization publicity agent, 279
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Charges against-Con.
Superintendent of penitentiaries, 162, 283
Theft of examination papers, 164, 289 Toronto Customs hardware appraiser, 161, 278
Toronto deputy postmaster, 161, 276 Examinations and examination papers, 162, 164, 282-4, 287, ques. 750 Printing Bureau appointments placed under, 1812
Returned soldier suggested as member of, 996
Salaries, 4495 -'
Secretary, 165, 289, 292 Disadvantages of, 962, 4477 Double salaries, 1902
Examination, 985, 987, 990, 998. See also this title tinder Commission, above Income tax, 3497. See also Ottawa Improvement
Pensions, on, 3713
Inside, efficiency of-Special Committee of Inquiry into Appointment, 1554, 1709 Reports, 2652, 3004, 3376, 3420, 4133, 4534 Insurance, report tabled, 138 List, tabled, 398
Murray, Sir George, report of. 2113, 2920
No minister of, 1559-60
Outside
Delay in appointments, ques. 3680 Dissatisfaction amongst, 404 Salary increases, 945-6 Overmanning of, 4605, 4670 Overseas men
Civil and military pay, 2925 Promotions, ques. 729 Patronage in, 58, 498, 1267, 1271, 3234 Postal employees' salaries, 1794 Postmasters at sub-stations, 404 Post Office appointments after strike, 4345 Promotions, 983
Reclassification, ques. 610, 956, 1267, 2292, 3827. See Civil Service Act Arndt. Arthur Young & Co., 2911 Corns, of Civil Service Commission engaged in, ques. 617 Postal workers, correspondence, 2342 Report asked for, 1960 Report of, 3519
Returned soldiers, and, 291, 962
Wounded men and; motion Mr. McCurdy; 981; amdt., Mr. Morphy, 997; withdrawn, 1002 Salaries, 86, 1559
$2,500 and over, ques. 1439 Specialists, appointment of, 983, 989, 1182 Strikes
Civil Service-Con.
Appointments after, confirmation of, 3809 Superannuation, 1266-9, 4476 Report tabled, 138 Special com. report, 4133 Transferring officials, 278 Vacancies, advertising of, 2049 War bonus, 1, 955, 4687 Mail carriers, ques. 848 Vote of $2,500,000, 2824 Women in, ques. 2751
Civil Service Act Amdt. Bill. Res., 2909; lr., 3293
Clark, Mr. Hugh (Parliamentary Secretary for the Department of Militia and Defence)
Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment, 2764 Vocational training for under-age soldiers, 1014
Clark, Mr. Michael (Red Deer)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 231. Late Sir Wilfrid Laurier, 231; victory and peace, 232; conscription-Liberal party, 233;'tariff, reciprocity, free trade, 235; reconstruction, 236; markets and their effect on trade, 238; taxation, cost of living-farmers' movement, 239; income tax-British Corn Laws, 240; free wheat-competition, 241
Board of Commerce, 4467 Budget, the, 3378. Political independence, 3378; bureaucracy, 3380; lowering tariff-Messrs. Calder and Crerar, 3381; reconstruction, 3382; tariff proposals, 3383; prices and tariff, 3384; Britain under free trade, 3386; revenue raising methods-tax-free bonds, 3387; industrial unrest, 3388; Canada a bond of nations, 3390
Canada Shipping Act Amdt., 3932-4 Canadian National Railway
Construction of lines, extension of time for, 1729
Finance, Parliamentary control, 2118 Public ownership, 2118 Civil Service, deputy ministers, payments to, 1591, 2442 Daylight Saving
Ottawa time and parliamentary time, 1342
Railroad time, 1453
Fitzpatrick, Sir Charles, payments to, 872 Grain trade, operation of elevators, 4089 Highways, 787, 3914, 3919, 3924, 4387, 4401, 4411, 4416
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Great Britain, from, 2596 Prohibition of certain classes, 1918 Military Service Act, uniformity of administration, 1317, 1339 Militia, permanent force, 3974 Naturalization, 4122-3 National harbours, control of, 3745 Pensions, 5203-4
" Unmarried wife," 4274, 4288 Ploughs, duty on, 3690-6, 3701, 3704 Post Office appointments after strike, 4348 Prohibition, 2657, 2664, 2679 Proportional representation, 3069, 4620 Public health, social welfare, 1138-40 Purchasing Commission, 3203, 3815, 4454, '	4620	*
Scientific research, 4462 Shipbuilding, 2217-9, 2253-4, 2257 Soldiers' land settlement, 3866 Tariff
Mr. McMaster's proposed amdt., 813 Explanation of vote, 3749 Titles, 1467; 2712, 2746 Clemens, Judge, investigation relating to, ques. 3066
Clements, Mr. Herbert S. (Comox-Alberni) Alien enemies and treatment of soldiers, motion, 753 Mounted Police, 761 National non-sectarian schools, 756 Naturalization papers, 754 Technical education, 756 Closure
Canadian National Railway. Notice, 1789; discussion, 1797
Interpretation of rule, 1796, 1799 Coal
Canadian National Railway, ques. 1906 Lignite, briquetting of, 3472 Railway contracts for, 1909 Railway rates, and. See Budget St. Lawrence route, ques. 3471, 4335 Supply, 174
Coal Tar derivatives. See Proprietary Coasting Trade
Railway Commission control. See also Railway Act Consolidation Bill Bill to provide, 71 United States, with, 1110, 1209, 1260 Cochrane, Hon. Francis, Senate request his attendance at Hudson Bay Com., 2511
Cockshutt, Mr. W. F. (Brantford)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 124. Peace and victory, 125; Bolshevism-capital and labour, 127,
Cockshutt, Mr. W. F.

Con.
130; His Majesty the King, 128; income tax, 130; tariff, 131; Peace Conference, presence of the Prime Minister, 132
Agricultural implements, duties, etc., 3072, 3099
Ploughs, 3691
Bankruptcy Bill, 1990, 1994, 1999, 2003, 2475 Budget, the, 3349. Industrial unrest

Peace Treaty, 3349; Russia, 3351; trade conditions and tariff, 3353; tariff investigation commission, 3359; coal duties and freight rates, 3361; dumping, 3362
Canadian National Railway Bill, 1850 Freight rates and tariff duties, 3700 Grand Trunk Pacific receivership-nationalization; railways extending into United States, etc., 687 Illiterates, immigration of, 1965 Income tax, 3737
Materials for manufacture, purchase of in Canada, 3699, 3702
Military management, charges of Gen.
Smart and others, 1531 Military Service Act, uniformity of administration, 1329
Militia, permanent force, 1899, 3973 Passports, 1052 Pensions, 4031
Railway Act Consolidation, transmission lines on highways, Hydro-Electric, 3087
Railway rates, Commission control, 4146 Returned soldiers, Civil Service positions ' for, 999 Shipbuilding, 2257 Titles, 1469, 2723, 2739, 2746-8 Cold Storage, 2062 Taxation of companies, ques. 2904 Transportation, 2980 *Warehouses, 2982
Food in, destruction of, ques. 2906 Montreal, proposed building, 1619, 2062 Collective Bargaining, 3908. See also Industrial unrest
Collins, Mr., case under Military Service Act, 1326
Combines and Fair Prices Bill, lr., 4198; 2r., com., 4567, 4588; 3r., 4601. See also Board of Commerce
Commercial Cable Company, property at Hazel Hill, N.S., ques. 2046 Commissions, return of number of, ques. 646 Connaught Rifle Range, 1894-8 Conner, Mr., Immigration agent, 2590


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Conscription, 233, 346, 489, 496, 510. See also Military Service Act
Conservation, Commission of, report tabled, 312
Consular Officers, payment to, 1900 Contract by Tender vs. Force contracts, 1606 Cooper, Mr. Richard C. (Vancouver South) Addres- in reply to Governor General's Speech, 336. General Currie

St. Julien, 337; Cambrai, Mons, 337; Canada's war record, decorations won- proposed grant to Sir Arthur Currie, 339; Sir Wilfrid Laurier, 339, 340; scholarships as war. memorials, 340; national defence service-women in Government service-aliens and fishing licenses-public works to give employment, 341; immigration-war service gratuity and clothing allowance, 342; war service button-land settlement- pensions - prohibition - taxes -vocational training, 343; party government, 344
British Nationality, Naturalization, etc., Bill, 3822
Daylight Saving, 887 Militia pensions, 2755-60 Pensions, 4175, 4201 Soldiers' Land Settlement, 3868-9 Women in Civil Service, 2751 Copp, Mr. Arthur B. (Westmorland)
Air Board Bill, 2051-6 Bankruptcy Bill, 2004, 2007 Canada Food Board, ques. 613 Canadian National Railway
Coal purchases, ques. 1906
Directors, ques. 612 Appointment-politics and patronage, 1639
Intercolonial Railway
Lines to be included, 1677 Managers, ques. 948 Moncton, transfer of officials from, ques. 948 Operation, 4615-8
Position of in C.N.R., amdt., 2131-7 Pugwash spur, 3067 Steamships, P.E.I., ferry, 1690 Toronto, buildings in, occupied by, 612 Demobilization, men in garrison at St.
John, 3236-7
Divorce Court Bill, 3784 Economy in expenditure, 4053 Fertilizers Act Amdt., 2464 Fisheries
Lobsters, 714-24, 2902
Oysters, 2897
Petitcodiac River, fishway in, 2898
Copp, Mr. Arthur B.-Con.
Forestry and timber limits, 4053-4 Franchise, 4635
Government employees' compensation, 705-6
Housing scheme, 2560-1 Immigration agents, 2588 Indians, 4061 Judges' salaries, 4371 Lighthouse keepers, 2609 Migratory birds, 4604 Napadogan, ice at, ques. 972 Naval Service, 2241 Newcastle wireless station, 2849 Parliament buildings, 2338 Pensions, 4299
Commissioners' salaries, 2452 Proprietary medicines, 2486-7 Public Health, Director General, 2572 Purchasing Commission, 3237 Sackvllle public building, 4612 St. John harbour, 4300, 4305 Steamship services, freight rates, 1285 Steamships, management of, 4685-6 Technical education, 4136 Payment to provinces by population, 3893 Tinplate, 4447
Cost of Living. See High Cost Costa Rica, message in celebration of peace, 2
Cote, Eugenie, alias " Venus," 2808 Cote, Mr. Louis, ques. 2566 Coteau Landing, highway, ques. 2045 Cottonseed Meal, 2446 Council of Agriculture, 578 Platform, 531
Policy and representatives, 556 Wood, Mr. H. W., 556, 566, 586 Courts Martial. /See War, Naval Service, Military Service Act Cousineau, Mr. L., ques. 1306 Cowan, Mr. Walter D. (Regina)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 168. Liberal Party, 168; Peace Conference, presence of Prime Minister, 168; Union Government-cooperation in the work of government, 170; medical men and patronage- housing, 171; tariff, 172; railways- Mounted Police, 173; coal supply- Health Department, 174; industrial unrest, 175
Budget, 3474. Tariff and reciprocity, 3474; Western problems, 3478; Hon. Mr. Crerar and wheat prices, 3479; tariff and prices, 3480; manufacturers'iaction under protection, 3481; implement prices, 3483; Western Provinces and natural resources, 3484
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Conservative party, 566; Mr. Wood, President, United Farmers of Alberta, 556, 566
Franchise, 4642-3 Pensions, 4197	'
Railway Commission and freight rates, 4145
Shipbuilding, 2219
Siberian Expedition, ques. 1440
Customs and Inland Revenue
Department
Commissionership of, 3927, 4380 Messrs. H. C. Blair, Bryson Macdougald, John Ridley, ques. 2398 Preventive service, 965	.
Roe, Mr. James Sydney, ques. 1216 Salaries, 954
Duty, rebates of, ques. 646
Customs Tariff Act Arndt. See Revenue Bills
Dafoe, Mr. John W., ques. 974, 1789
Dairying Industry, development of, 2980
Dams, Government, 2796
d'Anjou, Mr. Joseph Emile Stanislas Emmanuel (Rimouski)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 224. Late Sir Wilfrid Laurier, 224; bi-lingualism, 225; women's franchise-censorship-Orders in Council, 226; Siberian expedition-Military Service Act defaulters, 227; franchise, War-time Elections Act-Union Government-national unity, 228
Bradbury, Lieut,-Col. G. H., ques. 1107
Budget, 3450. War and conscription, 3450; election law, 3451; Siberian expedition-French-Canadians in the war, 3452; Guelph Novitiate, 3453; Hon. Mr. Crerar and Hon. Mr. Calder, 3454; tariff, 3455
Enlistments, May-December, 1917, ques. 609 " Hochelaga," steamer, ques. 609 Intercolonial, express parcels, ques. 2047 Keddy, Dr. O. B., ques. 2797 Laferriere, Capt. Alban, ques. 3135 Lennie, Mr. R. S,, ques. 1612 Mahon, Mr. C. E., ques. 1612, ques. 1790, ques. 2295
Military Service Act, ques. 1306, 1332 Militia, permanent force, 3977 Naval Service recruiting, ques. 747 Parent, Dr. Rufus H., ques. 1213 Thompson, Lieut.-Col. Alfred, M.P., ques. 747
Davidson, Mr. Avard Longley (Digby and Annapolis)
Canadian National Railway, legal expenses, ques. 2047
Good roads, 3913-25, 4387, 4390, 4394, 4430, 4433
Point of order: discussion of motion standing on Order Paper not permissible- upheld, 190
Davis, Mr. Fred Langdon (Neepa'wa)
Board of Commerce, 4518 Budget, 3631. Greater revenues needed, 3631; excise and land taxes, 3632; tariff revision, 3633; farm labour shortage, 3634
Civil Service, com. on efficiency, 1517 Fire prevention, 1577-8 Immigration, restriction of, 1938 Livestock, pure bred, 2993 Mennonites and Hutterites, 1260 Naturalization, 4130 Ruthenians, 1938
Daylight Saving, 456, 505, 1074, 1208, 1383, ques. 3242	,
Ethier, Mr., vote of, 1482 Government's policy, 647, 970 Health and, 912, 915
Ottawa time and parliamentary time, 1342, 1422
Point of order (Mr. Denis) as to hour of sitting, 1432
Railway time,. 929, 1433 Special motion to take up order, 886 Res. (Mr. Cooper), 887; amdt. (Mr. McCoig)* 892; point of order (Mr. Guthrie), 903; amdt. to amdt. (Mr. Mackie, Edmonton), 910; div. 928
Debates. See House of Commons Dechene, Mr. Aime Miville (Montmagny) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 87. Late Sir Wilfrid Laurier. 87; soldiers' settlement, 88; immigra tion-commissions, 90; foreign trae.-91; war indemnity-pensions, 92; taxation 

 thrift, 92; tariff - public health, 94; returned soldiers, 95 Canadian National Railway, 2129 Dominion Police, ques. 2047, ques. 2144 St. Barnabe Island, ques. 4464 Spirituous liquors, entered at Quebec, 1533 Deep Brook post office, ques. 751 Defaulters. See Military Service Act Delisle, Mr. Michel Simeon (Portneuf) "Canada," H.M.C.S., ques. 1534 Destroyers, purchase of, ques. 1534 " Hochelaga," steamship, ques. 606 Life-saving stations, ques. 606
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Demers, Mr. Marie Joseph (St. Johns and Iberville)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 344. Late Sir Wilfrid Laurier -reconstruction-franchise, War-time Elections Act, 344; aliens-independence of judges, 341; conscription- defaulters, 346; Canadian autonomy, 347
Conscriptions, number of, ques. 972 Denis, Mr. Jean J. (Joliette)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 446. Late Sir Wilfrid Laurier -French Canadians and national unity, 447; Quebec province and the "Black Robes," 448; the Orange Sentinel and national unity, 449; war indemnity, 450; Canada's sacrifice in war-Military Service Act, defaulters, 451; tariff and the Liberal party, 452; Liberals and Unionists, 453 Business of the House, pending legislation, 3420
Canada Evidence Act Arndt., 1390 Daylight saving, point of order as to time of meeting of House, 1432 Franchise, 3420
Grand Trunk Pacific receivership, 692 Parliament Buildings fire, 725 Pensions, 4181, 4185
Deputy Speaker and Chairman of Committees (Mr. George H. Boivin)
Rulings and statements of Bills
Amendments
Changing character of Bill, 1745 Procedure in, 1198, 1204 Committee, in
Reading of clauses by Chairman, 2001
Motion to refer back, 4064 Preamble read and postponed, 1623 Principle not to be discussed in Committee, 1929, 2053
Reconsideration of clause only by unanimous consent, 2929 Schedule, order of, 1725 Taxation measures originating in Senate, 2490
Chair to be addressd, 2538 Closing of debate, 3207 Closure, 1799
Deputy Speaker and Chairman of Committees-Con.
Rulings and statements of-Con.
Committee, limitations of debate in, 1034-5, 2508
Committees appointable by the House, not by Committee, 1639 Conversations in Chamber, 4200 Interruptions, 1174, 2869 Language
Not disorderly except as applied to members, 1930 Objected to
Bolshevists-" Your friends," 1068 " Wilfully leading the House into error," 1854
Leader of the House, announcements by, 1566
Motion and amdt. debatable together, 2725, 2728
Motions not debatable
That Committee rise, 1583, 3816 To report a Bill, 4017 No motion before the House, 1566 Opportunity for discussion under the rules, 2760
Order and " Privilege," 2840 Past debate, 1608, 2885, 4588 Quorum, 397, 2361
Relevancy, 1175, 1273, 1631, 1746, 2068, 2480, 2661, 2977, 3734, 3813, 3984, 3986, 4480
Nickel, 3684, 3689 Orders in Council, 4487 Ottawa agreement, 4384-5 Pensions, 4257 Vancouver harbour, 3752-3 Repetitions, 3978
Resolution svanding on Order Paper, debate not permissible, 190 Senate debates, reference to, 3278 Statement of member to be accepted, 1607
Taxes cannot be increased by Committee, 2487
Desaulniers, Mr. Arthur L. (Champlain) Batiscan, works, ques. 645 Blondin, Lieut.-Col. P. E., ques, 1790 Enlistment of certain soldiers, ques. 3067
Desjardins, Mr. Charles ("Ti-Noir"), ques. 750
Deslauriers, Mr. Hermas (St. Mary)
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3533; cost of living, 3534; soldiers and liquor, 3536'; Military Service Act, defaulters, 3537
" Canada," C.G.S., ques. 745 Canadian National Railway, locomotives, ques. 1212
Daylight Saving, 3242 Halifax disaster, ques. 879 Hull armoury, ques. 1215 Labour Union convention, Calgary, ques. 214,3	*
Lamontagne, Miss Ywette, ques. 1957, ques. 2145
Luxuries, taxes on, ques. 749 Montreal, port of, labour, ques.'- 3997 Montreal strike, 1482, 1615 National Service Registration, accounts, ques. 2296, ques. 2565
Ontario and Quebec, Northern, colonization, ques. 748
Ste. Marie wharf, ques. 1958 Salvarsan, ques. 2144
Strikes in Canada, ques. 179-2, ques. 2143 Transcontinental Railway
Business during 1918, ques. 3064 Stations, ques. 1211
Weights and measures, inspectors, ques. 2296
Destroyers, purchase of, ques. 1534 Destructive Insects and Pests, 111, 2979 Devlin, Mr. Emmanuel B. (Wright)
Budget, 3343. Pending questions and government, 3343; Canada's tariff history, 3344; waste, 3345; increased production, 3347
Canadian National Railway
Construction of lines, extension of time for, 1722-4 Directors Salaries, 1623 Term of office, 1797 Head office, 1665 Patronage, 1625 Civil Service war bonus, 2919 Arthur Young & Co., 2920 Criminal Code (sexual offences), 2163 Fitzpatrick, Sir Charles, payments to, 877 French River waterway, 1086 Influenza, cure of, 1175 Judges' salaries, 2957 Loans, public, 4198
Military Service Act, administration in Wright county, 2399-2402 Military Service, Guelph Novitiate, 1254 Statistics Act Arndt., 595-9 Tariff, 824
Yukon Act Arndt., 593-4 Dickson, Mr., contractor, 1376
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Clipper ships, 1288
Jamaica, 1284
Steel plate, price of, 2>252, 2262 " Tuna," H.M.C.S., ques. 1534, ques. 1905 Victory Loan, cost of, ques: 1918, 2798 Wireless operators, separation allowance, ques. 1905
Woodbury, Harry, and Military Service Act, ques. 2048 Wrecking plants, 2605
Duff, Mr. Justice, allowance for Imperial Privy Council, 4687
Dunkirk, base commandant at, report of, ques. 1216
Du Tremblay, Mr. Pamphile Real (Laurier-Outremont)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 149. Late Sir Wilfrid Laurier -Canada's war record, 149; French Canadian Brigade-industrial unrest

public expenditure, 150; business situation-tariff, 151; development, use of natural resources, 152; soldiers' settlement-labour problems-trade relations with the United States, 153; Victory Loan-war , indemnity and public debt, 154; national unity, 155 Daylight Saving, 910 Public health, provincial rights, 1367 Seed grain, 1032, 1041 War indemnity, Canada's claim, 773
Ecum Secum wharf, 2780
Edmonton Bridge, 2790
Edmonton, Dunvegan and British Columbia Railway, 1208
Education. See also Schools; Technical; Vocational
Land for school purposes, ques. 848 Mennonite schools, 2571 National non-sectarian schools, 756 Quebec, schools in, 2914
Edward VII, His late Majesty, monument to, 2797
Edwards, Mr. John Wesley (Frontenac) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 254. New Opposition leader, 254; Liberal party, record of leading Liberals, 255; franchise-Peace Conference, attendance of the Prime Minister, 256; repatriation in Quebec 

war activities of various parts of
Edwards, Mr. John Wesley-Con.
Canada, 257; enlistment figures by provinces, 258; tariff, free trade record of Mr. Clark (Red Deer) and others, 259; 'Civil Service appointments by the Commission, 260; Union Government 

tariff-defaulters and slackers, 263 Agricultural implements, duties, 3704-5 Bank mergers, 1097 Barriefield, militia buildings, 3985 Board of Commerce, 4552, 4555 Budget, 3435. Reply to Mr. Casgrain, 3435; reply to Mr. McMaster, reciprocity, 3437; Hon. Mr. Crerar, 3438; protection and agricultural prosperity-profits and prices, 3440; Hon. Mr. Crerar and prices, 3442, 3638; tariff, 3444; Union Government, 3449 Calvin residence, Kingston, ques. 3377 Civil Service
Commission, 260, 2916 Examinations, 4490 Salaries, increases, 2915, 4480 Conscientious objectors, 1929 Criminal Code (sexual offences), 2161 Daylight Saving, 913 Education
Bi-lingualism in schools, 241 National non-sectarian schools, 2403 Technical, 2897-9 Eight-hour day, 914
Empire Parliamentary Association, ques. 2749
Feldspar, 3693
Finance Department, vacancies, ques. 847 Fitzpatrick, Sir Charles, payment of, 850, 877, 1102
Good roads, 792, 3903, 3917-9, 3924, 4398, 4430
Immigration Illiterates, 1965
Prohibition of certain classes, 1929 Income tax, judges, 3714 Military Service, Guelph Novitiate, 1250 Militia
Pensions, 2759 Permanent force, 1898, 3985 Policy and system, 1888 Parliament buildings, 2338 Pensions, 4298 Post Office
Mail contractors, 2085 Postmasters, 2085, 2927 Surplus, 2090
Privilege:' statement of Ottawa "Journal," 1997
Prohibition, 2684
Return of Canadiafi soldiers, strikes delaying, 3741
Ross, Mr. P. D., 1997, 2915-7
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British Columbia, Chief Inspector, ques. 1534
Maritime Provinces, Inspector, 2896 Overseers, 2893-4
Salaries and disbursements of, 2887 Oysters, 2894-9 Prices, 121
Protection service, 2848 Salesmen, 2889
Salmon fishing by farmers, 2896 Salmon and halibut, ques. 1535 Souris, P.E.I., fish drier, ques. 1662, ques. 3470
Tax on fishermen, 2144	.
Twine and cordage, 3708 Utilization of waste, 3341 Fish Inspection Act Amdt. Bill. Res., 949. lr., 952; 2r., ref. to Copt, on Marine and Fisheries, 2098 Fitzpatrick, Sir Charles Letter from, 971 Payments to, 850, 1102 Pension, ques. 1109 Flavelle, Sir Joseph, 202, 2074 Flax Industry Bounty, 3842 Res., Mr. Glass, 1537 Flint, the late Thomas Barnard, 1341 Fontaine, Mr. Joseph Eloi (Hull)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, '417. Financial situation-the war and profiteering

War-time Elections Act, 417; returned soldiers, 418; Military Service defaulters-tariff, 418; surplus profits tax-economy-late Sir Wilfrid Laurier, 419 Civil Service, 2921 Cost of living, 2921
Government property in Hull, ques. 1215 Loans to Imperial Government, ques. 1215 Military Service Act, uniformity of administration;- 1328 Ottawa City, agreement with, 4249 Royal Air Force, repatriation of, ques. 1611 Food Board. See Canada Food Board Food Control. See High Cost of Living Foran, Mr. J. K., ques. 607 Foran, Mr. William, Secretary Civil Service Commission, 165, 289, 292 Forbidden Literature. See Censorship Foreign Trade. See also Trade Roumania, 3241 Sir Clifford Sifton, and, 1908
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Dominion Forest Reserves Forests, Waterways and Water Powers
Com. appointed, 114 Forsyth, Mr. J. R., ques. 4379 Fort George Postmistress, ques. 602 Fortier, Mr. Hyacinthe Adelard (Labelle) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 508. Late Sir Wilfrid Laurier -centralization of government, 508; government by Order in Council, 509; conscription, defaulters, 510; autonomy and British connection, 511 Budget, 3554. "Produce and save," 3554; alleged persecutions under Military Service Act, 3555
Fort Lawrence, N.S., dredging, ques. 3680 Fort William Grain Company, ques. 2048 Foster, Mr. Thomas (East York)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 397, 399. Sir Thomas White, Acting Prime Minister, 397; immigration, 399; highways and the provinces 

transcontinental highway, 401; farm work and Government highway assistance-housing, 402; temperance question, 403; Outside Civil Service- postmasters at sub-stations - Civil Service Commission, 404; women's franchise, 405; War-time Elections Act and aliens - Ministers in the Senate, 406
Canadian National Railway, 1649
Daylight Saving, 926	,
Electric and Power Companies Bill, 4578-9
Fire prevention, 1586
Highways, 731
Live Stock Act Amdt., 1571
Prohibition, 2658
Public Works Department, unexpended balances, 1280 Railway Act Consolidation
Disagreement with Senate, power clause, 4162
Transmission lines on highways, consent of municipalities, 3093 Telephone companies, 2644 Toronto Harbour improvements, 2363 Fournier, Mr. C. A. (Bellechasse)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 176. Late Sir Wilfrid Laurier -Canada's war record-post-bellum conditions, finance, demobilization, returned soldiers, 176-7; franchise-tariff, 178; high cost of living, 179; profiteering-the Press, 180
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Welland Canal lock tenders,- 604 Fraser, the late John, Auditor General, 115 Fraser River works, 422 Fraser Seigniory, ques. 882 Fraser Valley, See Representation Act Fraserville, Que., Riou Store, ques. 1611 Fraternal Societies, foreign. See Insurance Act Amdt.
Free Trade. See Budget; Tariff French Language
Income tax forms, 3712 - Loan, printing bonds, 4475
Use of in seconding Address, 17 French River, 1077, 2796 Fripp, Mr. Alfred Ernest (Ottawa)
. Bankruptcy Bill
Order of court, 2010 Settlement and preference, 2008-9 Trustee, remuneration of, 2011-2 Board of Commerce, 4557 Daylight Saving, 920 Divorce Court Bill, 3776 Dominion Police, pay of, 2926 Horse racing, 1710 Letter postage rate, 745 Ottawa City and the Dominion Government, 2498, 4250 Pensions, 4191-6, 4207 Prohibition, 2349
War memorial building, ques., 1216 War Purchasing Commission, 3200 Frozen Beef, 1287, 1292
Fuel Control, ques. 612, ques. 1532, ques. 2145 Fulton, Mr. Frederick John (Cariboo)
Good roads, 3904 Judges' salaries, 2954-5 Pensions, " Unmarried wife," 4288 Fushimi, Prince, visit of, 2455 Gabarus, beach protection, 2780 Galicians and Poland, 3472. See also Poles and Ukrainains Galvanized Iron, 3681, 3689
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British Nationality, Naturalization and Aliens, 3819; amdt., 3821; withdrawn, 4118
Militia, permanent force, 3976, 3981 Pensions, 4174, 4180, 4195, 4.201, 4206, 4282, 4292
" Unmarried wife," 4282 Titles, 2717, 2719
Grisdale, Mr., Deputy Minister of Agriculture, 2961, 2965
Grocers, Wholesale. See Private Bills Grosse Isle, 2784
Guelph Novitiate. See Military Service Act Gundy, Mr. W. P., death of, 3196, 3201, 3211 Gunning, Mr. John G., 1435, 1483 Gustave, Stuart, property bequeathed to Government, 544, ques. 604, 648, 2769, 2770 Guthrie, Hon. Hugh (Solicitor General) Bankruptcy Bill, 229, 1981-95, 1998-2015. 2467-78
Arrest of debtor ("abscond"), 2266-8, 2279
Bona fide transactions, 2471 Claims, 2472-3 Composition, 1983 Assent to, 1984 Contributory, 2009 Court's jurisdiction, 2268-70, 2474-5 Dividends, no . action for, 2471 Inspectors, 2015
Limited partnerships, 2270, 2475 Malicious proceedings, 2272-4, 2279 Meetings of creditors notices, 2014 Non-traders; 2477 Order of Court, 2010 Proof of debt, 2263-4 Secured creditors, by, 2265 Provinces, and, 1998-9, 2008 Settlements and preferences, 2008, 246970
Trustees
Appointment, 1984-90, 2468 Discharge, 2472
Insurance by, sale of patented articles, 2006-7
Powers, 2468 Reports, 2468
Security by, 1992-5, 2468-9 Surrendered, 2001 To be kept in force, 1998-9 Substitute, 2000-4
British Nationality, Naturalization and Aliens, 3816-23, 4110-32, 4257-74
Guthrie, Hon. Hugh-Con.
Criminal Code, Aliens and British subjects, 4357-8 Daylight Saving, 903
Fitzpatrick, Sir Charles, payments to, 874 Military Service Act, uniformity of administration, 1315
Religious conscientious objectors; 782 Sedition, report of Special Com., 3285 Guysborough public library, ques. 846 Halifax
Dennis building, ques. 972 Dry dock, 1281 Explosion, ques. 879 Overseas mails, 886, 929 Terminals, cost of, ques. 2398 Halifax Harbour Master Act Amdt. Bill. Res., 2692; lr., 2695; 2r„ com., 2800; 3r., 2802	'
Halladay, Mr. Howard H. (Bow River) Budget, 3582
Criminal Code (sexual offences), 2162 Daylight Saving, 902
Hanna townsite and Mr. D. B. Hanna, 1410 Hamilton, Mr. Charles McGill, Director Canadian National Railway, 1638, 1834 Hamilton, Major W. J., ques. 3067 Hanmer, Mr. I. B., cattle breeder, 2995
Hanna, Mr. D. B„ 1408; See Canadian National Railway
Hanna, Alberta, townsite of, ques. 1535 Harbours. See their names Dues, statement tabled, 40 Harold, Mr. John (Brant)
Budget, 3505. Reply to Mr. McKenzie, 350.6; Canadian and American manufacturers, 3507; agricultural implements, 3508; business profits tax, 3509; land tax, 3510; free trade or protection, 3511
Canadian Expeditionary Force, files mislaid, ques. 1108 Freight rates, 3699 Gundy, the late W. P., 3201 Manufacturers' profits, 3699 Ploughs, duty on, 3701 Purchasing Commission, 3200-3 War; removal of bodies of the dead, ques. 1107
Harrison, Mr. Charles Robert (Nipissing) French River waterway, 1077 Government employees' compensation, 945 Lake Nipissing water-power, ques. 1341 Hart, Mr. James I., ques. 602 Harvesters, admission into Canada, 1944 Hastings, Mr. J. R., appointment, 161, 283
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Hawkesbury-Grenville bridge, 2791
Hay, Mr. Thomas (Selkirk)
Budget, 3583
Immigration, illiterates, 1967 Indian Reserves, expropriation, 2302' Purchasing Commission, 3209
Head tax on Canadians entering United States, 1942
Health. See Public Health
Health Department Bill, lr., 843; 2r., 1164; com., 1182, 1185, 1366; 3r., 1383
Hebrews, illiteracy among, 1967
" Helena," motor boat, ques. 3998
Henders, Mr. Richard Coe (Macdonald) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 454. Peace and its problems, 454; Union Government - Military . Service Act, 455; public health-prohibition-daylight saving, 456; reconstruction-tariff, 457 Agriculture and Colonization Com., 4376 Agricultural implements, freight rates on, 4010
Board of Commerce, 455S Budget, 3647. War and after-war problems, 3648; Western farmers and direct taxation - tariff, 3649; Mr. McMaster's proposed amdt.-co-operation of interests, 3650 Daylight Saving, 902 Grain trade
Appeal Board, 4100, 4103-4 Speculation, 4105-9 Warehouses and elevators, 4097 Live Stock Act Amdt. Bill, 1572 Pensions, 4297 Ploughs', duty on, 3692 Prohibition, 2662 Water-borne traffic, rates, 2950
High Commissioner, ques. 3242 Reported resignation, 647
High Cost of Living, 394, 409, 523, 1594, 1663, 2921, 3280-3. See also Board of Commerce; Combines; Industrial Unrest Butter, price of, 2063 Daylight Saving and, 896 Measures to reduce, ques. 1792 Minimdm wage and, 2908 Special Committee Appointed, 2953 Reports:	,
2nd, 4069. Motion (Mr. Nicholson) to concur, 4307; amdt. Mr. McKenzie, neg. on div., motion agreed to, 4333 3rd (recommendations), 4664


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Ascension Day, 2851 Ash Wednesday, 185 Easter, 886, 1075, 1109, 1162 Leave to discuss urgent matter
Gen. Smart and Col. Pratt, charges of, 1099
Quorum, for want of, 397 Board of Internal Economy, ques. 4, 605 Business of the House
Budget Speech, time of, 1343, 1712, 2752 Government business, precedence for, 1110
Initial Committee rule, suspension of, 4456
Legislation forthcoming or postponed, 599, 1342, 1616, 2398, 3999, 4690 Questions, outstanding, 1342 Chamber, acoustic properties of, 2331, 2337, 2396, 2538, 2657
Committees, standing, 4, 111-2, 696 Estimates, Committee on, proposed, 1557 Daylight Saving and sittings of the House, 970, 1432
Debates, official report of Committee appointed, 114 Reports
Special editions of members' speeches, 1162, 1206
Volumes, publication of, 2198 Divisions. See that title Galleries, admission to, 1910 Members
Apartments for, proposed, 2498 Representing two ridings. See House of Commons Act Arndt. Bill Sessional indemnity of, 749 War record of, personal list, 195 Ministers in Senate, representation in, ques. 884, ques. 974 Motion, Mr. Euler, 1002 Officers
Clerk of French Journals, 357 . Deputy Sergeant at Arms, 4 Messengers, pay of, 1558 Press Gallery, record in the war, 209 Privilege, Senate Address in place of request by Message, 642 Quorum, 397, 2361 Reading room, 318, ques. 843 Returns, inquiries for and statements concerning, 886, 1908, 4000 Sittings
Dominion Day, 4198
Non-suspension of, conference with Senate, 3948
House of Commons-Con.
Sittings-Con.
Saturday and morning, 3376, 3420 Wednesday, 1109 Speaker, living allowance, 2444 Vacancies, 1163. See also House of Commons Act'Amdt. Bill
Votes and Proceedings and Journals, 41, 3065, 3292
House of Commons Act Arndt. Bill, lr., 643 Housing, 15, 30, 45, 53, 144, 157, 223, 333, 530, 542, 1188. See also Public Health Farm buildings in the West, 171 Garden villages for returned soldiers, 761 Loan to provinces of $25,000,000 Inquiry as to time of presenting measures, 1616 Order in Council tabled, 71 Resolution and debate, 2532 Hudson Bay and Strait, 2511 Hudson Bay Railway, 4409 Port Nelson terminals, 4688 Hughes, Gen. William S., 162, 285 Hughes, Lieut.-General Sir Sam (Victoria) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 195. House of Commons members' war record, 195; Military Service Act-Union Government-War Measures Act, 199; politics, patronage, independence - soldiers, regulars vs. irregulars, 200; Canada's rights- political intrigues, 201; the Press, 201, 203; Munitions Board-formation of Union Government, 202; "Canadian Official Record," 203; organization of Canada's forces at the front, 204; St. Julien, Cambrai, Mons, 205; demobilization and repatriation, 207; population, development - Press Gallery record in the war, 209; finance, public debt, 210; munitions-Victory Bonds, 213
Canadians entering United States, head tax, 1110
Canadian Expeditionary Force, rifles and ammunition, 1614
Canadians in Imperal service, 1997 Canadians in Royal Air Force, ques. 646 Canadian soldiers imprisoned, 1434 Circular, farmers and military service, 1326 Civil and religious liberty in re-established countries, 2043
Commercial Cable property, Hazel Hill, N.S., ques. 2046
Electric and Power Companies Bill, 4584 Fertilizers Act Arndt., 1658-70, 2464-5 Greek Catholic children, 1383-8 Guelph Novitiate, 4620
Motion for Com. of inquiry, 1218
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Military escort of Roman Catholic bishop, ques. 2296
Military management, charges of General Smart, etc., 1517, 1527 Military Service Act Defaulters, 4238-9
Uniformity of administration, motion, 1308
Military trials in England, 1959 Militia pensions, 2755-7 Milk-marking of containers, 2345 Nova Scotia, farm conditions, 2586 Pensions, 4183, 4289-91 Committee, 139
Poles and Ukrainians, etc., 2343, 3472, 4466 Princess Patricia's Regiment, ques. 616 Prohibition, 2348, 2350-6, 2668 Purchasing Commission, 3204 Roumania, credit to, 3241 St. John Harbour-Fort Latour, 4302 Scientific research, 4461 Selkirk postmaster, ques. 1308 Service medal, ques. 883 Soldiers' complaints against authorities, alleged suppression, 1618 Soldiers' graves, 332 Trawlers built for Canada, 2210 Trotsky, Leon, ques. 8S0 War Purchasing Commission, 3199 Wireless stations, 2795
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Exemptions, 1917-18, ques. 611 Farmers, ques. 2049 Gross taxable income, ques. 2296 Judges and, 3711-3 Montreal office, ques. 2905 Officials, 2798
Unmarried women and, 3992	[DOT]
Independent Workers of the World. See
Industrial unrest; Bolshevism'; Winnipeg strike
India
Famine in, 2616 Status of, 1045
Indian Act Amdt. Bill, lr., 4171; 2r., com., 4254; 3r., 4257 Indians
British Columbia, 4062 Caughnawaga, 4057 Greater production on farms, 4664 Liquor and, 4063
Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta, and Northwest Territories, 4061 Medical attendance, 4060 Medical officer, ques. 1906 New Brunswick, 4061 Nova Scotia, 4060 Reserves
Opening up of, 414 Parks, expropriation for, 2302 Restigouche, ques. 609 Returned soldiers, lands for, 3807, 4015 Roads and bridges on, 4057 St. Peter's, ques. 1076 Seabird Island, 414 Schools, 4063 Tuberculosis and, 4062
Industrial Disability, Government insurance against, 994
Industrial Relations Commission, 1260, 4620 Personnel, 1305 Scope, 1432
Industrial and Scientific Research, 4376 Com., 1709, 2097, 4457 Report, motion to concur, 4457 Health laboratory, 1370 National Institute proposed, 1565 Vote of $120,000, 3341
Industrial Unrest, 16, 20, 26, 57, 73, 150, 296, 374, 393, 443, 574, 890, 899, 1858, 2883, 2929. See also Bolshevism; Board of Commerce; High Cost of Living; Industrial Relations Conference to settle disputes, 2908, 3194 Discussion on motion to adjourn, 3004 Situation in the West, 2798
Industrial Unrest-Con.
Strikes
Canada, in, since signing of Armistice, ques. 2143
England, in, delaying return of Canadian soldiers, 3741 Montreal, 1482, 1615, 1663 Ottawa Street Railway, 4535 Sympathetic, " Collective bargaining,'' 2851
Time lost due to, 1792 Winnipeg, 2508, 2565, 2616, 2752-4, 2598. 2953, 3241, 3472, 3927. See also Post Office Appointments Bill Arrests and trials, 3740 Prisoners' mooted removal to Kingston, 3587 Riots, 3843
Western situation, 2908
Infant Mortality. See Health
Inland Revenue
Bonded warehouses and liquors, 966 Violations, ques. 1536 Department
Expenses of, ques. 3242 Report tabled, 550
Inland Water Navigation
Railway Commission Control Bill, lr., 71. See also Railway Act Amdt.
Inspection and Sale Act Amdt. Bill (Containers). Res., 2344; lr., 2345; dropped, 3940
Insurance. See also Criminal Code Department, 4479
Marine, Roumanian, etc., relief, ques. 2798
Insurance Act, 1917, Amdt. Bill, lr., 1259; 2r„ 1567; ref. to Banking and Commerce Com., 1568; com., 3987; 3r., 3988
Intercolonial Railway. See also Canadian National ,
Express parcels, ques. 2047 Freight stolen at Charmy, ques. 2396 Mulgrave services, 1302 Operation, 4616 Position of, 2131
Property, earnings, expenses, ques. 750 Provident Fund, ques. 605, ques. 2045. See also Government Employees' Compensation
lnter-1 mperial Trade, proposed Investigation Board, 3327
Interior Department
Deputy Minister, extra salary for immigration work, 2440
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Internationa! Joint Commission, 462, 1901-4, 2396, 4670
Lake of the Woods Board, 1904 International Waters, sewage in, 1195 Interpretation Act Amdt. Bill (Superior Courts). lr„ 1957; i2r., com., 3r., 2313; Senate amdts., 2959
Interpreters for immigration service, 1972 Intoxicating Liquors
Custom houses as storage places for, 956, 966
Illicit stills, 969
Interprovincial trade in, opinions of Minister and Acting Deputy Minister of Justice, 4133
Northwest, in, statement tabled,-229 Quebec, entered at, ques. 1533 Shipments, prosecutions for, ques.' 882 Siberian expedition, for, ques. 845 Intoxicating Liquors Act, 1919, Amdt. Bill. Res., 2345; lr., 2396; 2r., com., 2654; 3r., 2752. Amdt. (Mr. Cronyn), 2656-7; neg., 2689
Senate .amdt., 3782; House disagrees, res., Sir Robert Borden agreed to on div., 4071-2, 4133; Senate insists, 4475; free conference, 4497,	4550,	4572;
House insists, 4659-60 Dominion Alliance, 2685	[DOT]
Intemperance Causes of, 2686 Recreation, a cure for, 2686 Labour and, 2660, 2670-1, 2680 Medicinal value of liquor, 2667, 2682 Native wines, 2668
Ontario Temperance Act, 2655, 2678 2688 Prohibition, extension of, 2658-9 Provinces, 2347, 2662, 2679 Manitoba, 2673, 2678 Ontario, 2676, 2682 Rowntree and Sherwell report, 2685 Saleeby, Dr., opinion of, 2683 Inverness Railway, 4614 Iron, material for galvanizing, 3781, 3689 Irrigation, 4601
Irrigation Act Amdt. Bill, lr., 71; 2r„ com., 633; '3r., 696 Isle Perrot bridges, 733 Isle Verte wharf, 2784
Jacobs, Mr. Samuel William (George Etienne Cartier)
Alpine Club, 4046
Bankruptcy Bill, 1983-5, 1992-5, 2000-15, 2264-73, 2468-78 Board of Commerce, 4460, 4552 Bolshevism, 2284
Jacobs, Mr. Samuel William-Con.
British Remount Commission, ques. 976 Budget, 3624. Reply to Minister of Finance-Mr. . M. Clark and party government, 3625; post-war tariff revision, 3626; Hon. Mr. Crerar's resignation, 3627; Bankruptcy Bill-vacancies in House of Commons, 3630; Hon. Mr. Rowell and Cabinet secrets, 3627, 3631
Butter, price of, 1618 Canadian National Railway
Finance, parliamentary control, 2128 Head office, amdt. 1648, neg. 1653 Combines, 4569, 4590
Amdt., "British subjects," 4590-8; neg., 4591	'
Criminal Code, 4356-63
Aliens and British subjects, 4356-61 Sexual offences, 2164 Daylight Saving, 893 Deputy Minister of Interior, 2443 [DOT] Electric and power companies, 4577-9 Employment works, Welland canal, 1600-4 Franchise, 4639
Government Employees' Compensation Bill, 940-8 Hebrews
Crime, absence of, 1881 Illiteracy unknown, 1967 Juvenile delinquents, 1386 *
House of Commons Act Amdt. Bill, 643 Immigration Act Amdt. Bill Deported conspirators, 1949 Illiterates, 1952, 1967; amdt. proposed, 1960
Open-door policy, 1880 Temporary residents, 1942 Travelling musicians, 1942 Violence against constituted authority, 2284
Income tax, judges-personal explanation, 3720, 4234	'
Industrial unrest-Winnipeg strike, Peace Conference labour principles, collective bargaining, etc., 3043 Interned alien enemies, ques. 1611 Judges' salaries, 2956-9, 4374 Naturalization, 4118 Amdt., 4120; neg., 4126 Radziwill, Princess, ques. 618 Roumania
Credit to, 1618
Proposed Canadian guard for border, 1618
Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment, resignations, 4673-6 War expenditure, 1865 Weights and measures, 2150-2, 2159
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Japan
Fushimi, Prince, visit of, 2455 Immigration from. See Asiatics; Immigration
Max-ket for ships, 2220 Jellicoe, Admiral Sir John, ques-. 751 Jenkins, Colonel, report of, 2285, 2294 Jesuits. See Military Service, Guelph Novitiate
Johnston, Mr. J. Fred (Last Mountain) Budget, 3462. Industrial , unrest, 3462; wheat and prices, 3463; School Lands Trust Fund, 3463; Hudson Bay Railway-Victory Loans, 3463; tariff and the land, 3465
Canadian National Railway, 1834 Franchise, 4641 Livestock, pure-bred, 2994 Ploughs, duty on, 3693 Titles, 1478	.
Jones, General Guy Carleton, ques. 615 Judges Act Arndt. Bills
1.	(British Columbia.) Res., 2305; lr.,
2313; 2r„ com., 2954; 3r„ 2959
2.	(Salaries.) Res., 4063, 4212; lr., 4376;
2r„ 4435; com., 4436; 3r„ 4439; Senate amdts., 4661
3.	(From the Senate.) 4135; lr., 4377 Jurisdiction, federal and provincial. See
Public Health; Highways; Technical Education
Juvenile Delinquents Act Amdt. lr., 970; 2r., com., 1383; not proceeded with, 3843
Kay, Mr. William Frederic (Missisquoi) Automobiles, Government-owned, ques. 880 Ayrshire and Holstein bulls, ques. 601 Canadian merchant marine, ques. 3998 " Canadian Volunteer," steamer, ques. 3998 Daylight Saving, 921 Food Board revenues, ques. 611 Fuel Control Board, ques. 1532 Military service payments, ques. 601 Newsprint control, ques. 613 Oleomargarine, 3708 Opposition and lower duties, 3703 Public Information Department, ques. 728
Keefer, Mr. Francis Henry (Port Arthur and Kenora)
Canadian Grain Act Amdt., 3955, 4097 Canadian National Railway Annual meetings, 1646
Construction of lines, extension of time ' for, 1718, 1754
Directors, 1632	*
Expropriation, 1696 Head office, 1648
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Medical profession and, 1378 Sewage in international waters, 1195 Royal Northwest Mounted Police, 2175, 2326
Water-borne traffic, rates, 2946 Kemp, Hon. Sir Edward, K.C.M.G. (Minister of Overseas Military Forces from Canada in the United Kingdom) Administration of overseas forces, 2294, 2856-83
Demobilization, strikes delaying, 3741 Jenkins, Col., report of, 2294 Negroes, rioting in England by, 3741 Permanent Air Force in Canada, 2867-8 Kennedy, Mr. William Costello (North Essex)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 101. Government promises-* franchise, 101; Paris Conference, Ministers in attendance, 102; foreign ti-ade, 103; Bolsheviki-returned sol-* diers, 105; Siberian expedition-pensions, 106; employment of returned soldiers, 107	-
Budget, 3512. Taxation and public debt, 3512; tax-free debts, 3513; bank amalgamations, 3516; unwise regulation of trade, 3517
~ Head tax on Canadians entering United States, 1942
Kingsmill, Admiral, ques. 1340 Kingston, Calvin x'esidence as nurses' home, ques. 3377
Kinmel Camp Riots, 315, 462, 550, 1100, 1320. See also War
Courts-martial, ques. 3469 Statement by Acting Prime Minister, 512 Knox, Mr. Andrew (Prince Albert)
Budget, 3646. Soldiers' land settlement, 8646; a protectionist Budget, 3647 Fisheries of Prairie Provinces, 2892 Kohn, Mr. Louis, ques. 747 Kriegoff, paintings of, 2447 Labelle, Mr. F. A., ques. 1306 Labour. See also Industrial British Columbia, in, during war, 754 Eight-hour day, 914, 1996, 2856	*
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Lavigueur, Mr. Henri E. (Quebec County) Canada-Great Britain steamship service, ques. 1107
Canadian National Railway Improvements, ques. 978 Quebec bridge, ques. 977 Quebec and Halifax, ques. 977 Daylight Saving, 891	,
Dominion exhibitions, ques. 1215 Fitzpatrick, Sir Charles, payments to, 874 National harbours, Quebec, 3752-3 Quebec, Champlain market wharves, ques. 1438
St. Malo workshops, ques. 1212 Transcontinental Railway, ques. 2398
Leader of the House, congratulations to Sir Thomas White as, 397
Leader of the Opposition
McKenzie, Mr. D. D.; Congratulations on election as Leader of the Opposition, 27, 51, 254, 567
League of Nations, 308, 348, 367, 1382, 2042. See also Peace Covenant tabled, 138
Reference in Governor General's Speech, 2
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Leger, Mr. Auguste Theophile (Kent, N.B.) Agricultural pamphlets, 2991 Canadian National Railway, 1652 Cold storage, 2986 Daylight Saving, 904 Lobster, canned, 722 Local mills and wheat, 2973 Members of Parliament, accommodation for, 2498
Moncton and Buctouch Railway, 1382 Military Service Act, defaulters, 1208; ques. 2566
Proprietary medicines, 2486 Soldiers, furlough in France, 271 W'eights and measures, 2153
Lemieux, Hon. Rodolphe (Maisonneuve, and GaspS)
Address in reply to Governor General's. Speech, 567. Tariff and embargo

new Opposition leader-late Sir Wilfrid Laurier, 567; "Quebec situation" -Liberals and Unionists, 568; victory and peace-Canada's national status- party government, 570; a free Parliament, 571; outlook for Canada, balance of trade, industrial unrest, 574; complaint of Government inaction, charges by General Smart and Col. Pratt, 575; Council of Agriculture platform, 578; Ministers interrogated, 579; Canada and the Empire, 582; national unity, 585 Aerial service, 1264 Air Board, 2053, 2055-7 Agriculture
British embargo on Canadian cattle, 2962
Literature in both languages, 2975 Production, 2959-60 Baie St. Paul, branch lihe, 2450 Bank mergers, 1088 Bankruptcy Bill, 1982-93 Belgium, 1874, 2586
Borden, Sir Robert, birthday congratulations, 4133	f
British sailors on land, settlement of, 1875 Bruce report, 4000
Budget, 3363. Party politics, 3363; Prime Minister and Cabinet, 3364; public debt and economy, 3366; war indemnity- reconstruction, 3369; low tariff, 3370; industrial unrest, 3374; French Canadian Liberals, 3375 Budget Speech, date of, 1712 Business profits war tax, suggested booklet, 4003
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St. Lawrence, 2794 State control of, 1827 Cadet corps, 1888 Canadian National Railway, 1399 Capital stock, 1826
Construction of lines, extension of time, 1713-5, 1728-9 Directors, ex-soldier, 1638 Finance - receipts and expenditures through consolidated revenue, amdt. 1415, neg. 1418 Lines to be included, 1678-9 Securities of other companies, 1781 Canadian Press news service, 4483 Canadian Wholesale Grocers' Association, oath, 2016
Canadians in the war-the nation's gratitude, 4699 Canals
Trent, 3187-9
Welland, deepening of, 3184-6 Caughnawaga and St. Lambert roads, 4058 Cavell, Edith, proposed monument, 2447 Civil Service Commission
Appointment of woman as member of, 2909
Commissioners' salaries, 4496 Commissionership of Customs, 3927, 4380
Post office appointments after strike, 4346-8
Salaries, 2914 Superannuation, 2914-5 Cold storage and food, ques. 2906 Combines, 4593-4
Cotfi, Eugenie, alias " Venus," case of, 2440, 2808
Criminal code-medietate linguae, 4363-6 Daylight Saving, 8S8, 1208 Government policy, 970 Ottawa time and parliamentary time, '	1342, 1422
Divorce
. Fees remitted, number of divorces, 2779 \ Provincial authority in, 1438, 2779 Dominion Parks, bird sanctuaries, 2304 Dominion Police, 2925-6 Dominion Steel Company, 2251 Drummond, Sir George, sale of paintings, 2447
Fish, inspection, 950 Foreign trade
Credits, 1615, 2171
North Europe, Canada barred, 1909
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Government measures, time of presentation, 1617
Grand Trunk Railway bondholders, 4245 Housing scheme, 2557, 2562 Immigration, exodus, repatriation, 2581 Imperial Cabinet and Conference, 1070 Imperial Guards, 2753 Income tax, 3712-4
Children, allowance for, 3723 Judges' and others' pensions, 3713 Military pensions, 372,2 Montreal office, ques. 2905 Industrial unrest, cause of, 2883 International Joint Commission, 462, 4670 Judges' salaries, 2312, 2955-6, 4221 Kreigoff, paintings of, 2447 Land grants, Canadian Northern, 1873 Langelier, Mr. Justice, 1312 Laurier, Sir Wilfrid, death of, 9 Loan, $100,000,000, 4243-6 Magdalen Islands, 623, 1300 Mail order houses, 2093 Maps, engraving and distribution, 4047-8 Mercier, Cardinal, visit of, 1482; ques. 1611 Mignault, Mr., K.C., 462, 4670 Military management overseas, 2883-7 Charges of Gen. Smart, Col. Pratt and Col. Price, 1483, 1494-5 Military Service Act, 1312 Guelph Novitiate, 1232 Militia Department, overseas administration, 1099-1100 Militia	-
Pensions, 2758 Permanent force, 2980-1 Policy concerning, 1888 Mining industry, 4007-8 Montreal income tax office, ques. 2905 Murray Bay, ferry, 4335 Naturalization, 4111-31 Judicial vs. administrative powers, 4111 Newspapers and periodicals, publication of ownership and control, 1562,	2016,
2024-30, 4482
Nile Voyageurs, 43S0	*
Ocean rates, 1051
Orders in Council, government by, 2554 Ottawa City, agreement with, 4248-50, 4380-3
Ottawa highways, 2792 Paradis, Mr., claim of, 3189 Paris agency, 1901 Parliament Building, 4621 Peace Treaty, 3473 Ratification of, 3937 Text, receipt of, 2096
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Pensions, 4186, 4200-4, 4206-9
"Unmarried wife," 4275, 4278, 4284-6 Amdt., neg. on div„ 4338 Pilotage-Canada Shipping Act Amdt., 2805
Press, The, attitude of, 2917. See also under this head Newspapers Proprietary medicines, 2488, 2492, 3939 Purchasing Commission, 3216, 4445 Advertising, 3232
Amdt. (six months' hoist), 3220; neg. on div. 3226	*
Exclusive power, 3232 Supplies that may be purchased, 3238-9 Religious conscientious objectors, 781, 784 Rental of buildings for the Government, 3236
Returned soldiers as mining prospectors, 4045
Rimouski and overseas mail, 886 St. Charles River improvements, Belanger vs. The King, 1021, 1026 St. Lawrence River water powers, 886, 1796, 1901, 4048
Schools and religious teaching, 2415 Seigniorial rights, 2787 Shell Oil Company, 929, 4070 Shipbuilding, transportation, trade, 2227 Sifton, Sir Clifford, office in London, que§. 1908
Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment, 2762, 2765, 2771
Technical education, 3171 Titles, 2742
Trade and Commerce Department, 2171, 2227-9
Transatlantic mail service, 1711 Vancouver harbour, 4017-9 Votes and Proceedings, and Journals, 3292 War expenditures ($350,000,000), 2169-71 " Any measures deemed necessary or advisable," 2172, 2241 Washington, representation at, 1075, 2075-7, 2201
Witley Camp riot, 3472 Woman masquerading as man, 2440, 2808 Woman suffrage, 4638 Ypres war memorial, 4465 Lennie, Mr. R. S„ ques. 1612 Lesage, Mr. Joseph Edmond (Hochelaga) Montreal, conveyance of mails, ques. 979 Public health-Orders in Council, 1369 Registration of defaulters, ques. 610 Letter Carriers, 1341. See also Civil Service Letter postage rate, ques. 745, 4621 Levis
Aqueduct, ques. 1789 Rifle Association, ques. 1213 Station, 2458
Lewis, Mr. J. H., 270 L'Hereux, Major Napoleon, ques. 978 Library of Parliament Committee, 114-5 Report, 2	'
Life-saving stations, ques. 606, 2850 Lighthouses and keepers, 2608-13 Little Current, 2789 Little Sands, 2609
Live Stock Act Amdt. Bill. Res., 1570; ir., 1572; 2r., com., 2061; 3r., 2143 Livestock, shipments, inspection, 2603 Livingstone's Cove, 2780 Loans	.
Allied countries, to, ques. 2565 Imperial Government, to, ques. 1215 Printing of bonds in both languages, 4475 Temporary, outstanding, report tabled, 138 $100,000,000, New York, cost of, ques. 1907 $75,000,000, 4198
$100,000,000 Loan Bill. Res., lr„ 4242; 2r., com., 4243; 3r., 4335	*
Loggie, Mr. William Stewart (Northumberland, N.B.)
Bankruptcy Bill, 2005, 2012 Budget, 3651. Free food, 3651; manufacturers' profits, 3652; cost of living-wheat prices-Union Government, 3653 Fish, refrigerator service, 2890 Live Stock Amdt. Bill-cold storage, 2063 Lobster, canned, 714-727 Pilotage, 2610, 2805 Steamship services
Newcastle, Neguac and Escuminac, 1303 West Indies, 1287-8 Weights and measures, 2156
Lunenburg Harbour, 2607 Lyons Fair, 3840
Macauley, Capt. A. C. See Military Service, Guelph Novitiate
Macdonald, Mr. E. M., trade, discrimination, cable from, 140
Macdonell, soldier imprisoned, 1434 Mackenzie & Mann. See Canadian National; Railway Act Consolidation
Mackie, Mr. Henry Arthur (East Edmonton) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 347. League of Nations, 348; Canada's national status-Province of Quebec-tariff, 349; freedom of the Press and of the Bench, 350; military service defaulters-Peace Conference and attendance of Prime Ministerwar indemnity-education, provincial rights, 351; autocracy and democracy,
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Canadian National Railway Extension of time, 1713-9, 1726, 1745 Public ownership, 1745 Canadian Northern Railway Arbitration, ques. 1214 Bonds, ques. 4241 Equipment Trust, ques. 4240 Securities, ques. 1214 Civil Service Act Arndt., 2921 Civil Service and returned soldiers- Rangers Gauvreau and Trudel, 2921 Coal, railway contracts for, 1909 Criminal Code-neglect, 4362 Daylight iSaving, 910 Deputy Minister of Railways, ques. 1215 Fairweather, Mr., ques. 2145 Good roads, 4422
Henry and Ferguson, Messrs, ques. 2045 House of Commons, difficulty in hearing speakers, 1211
Housing scheme, 2538-9, 2548 Immigration, 193,2
Labour situation in the West, 2799 Militia, permanent force, 3978 Naturalization, 4262-8 Pensions, "Unmarried wife," 4282, 4286 Post office appointments after strike, 4354 Railway Act Consolidation Bill, 2619-22, 2628, 2652
Judges, transportation on railways, 2640-1
Schools, national, 2430 Ukrainians, 1932-8
Mackie, Mr. Herbert J. (North Renfrew) Canadian National Railway, coal, res., 2906 Mail contracts, 2081 Pembroke wharf, 2787
Pensions, case of Col. G. Hunter Ogilvie, 2761
Upper Ottawa dams, 2796
MacLennan, Judge F. S., ques. 1075, ques. 1106, ques. 1906, ques. 2905
Maclean, Hon. A. K. (Minister without portfolio)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 272. Peace Conference, attendance of Prime Minister, 272; finance, public loans, 274; Civil Service Commission, appointments, methods, Secretary, 274 Air Board Bill, 1864, 20:50-6 Buoys, Atlantic coast, 1910 Bureau of Statistics, 3838-9 Canada Grain Act, administration, 3837-8, 4094-4109
Canada Grain Act Arndt., 3942 Senate amdts., 4664 Canada Trade Commission, 4493-4
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Canadian National Railway Directors, payment of, 1654 First meeting, 1660 Head office, 1649 Civil Service
Commission. See also, under this title, Address
. Appointments, 3230 Returned soldiers and women representation on, 2909, 2918 Salaries and contingencies, 4496-7 Efficiency, Committee of Inquiry, 1556-7 Labour and statistics, 4672 Overmanning of, 4604 Reclassification, 2203, 3519, 3927-8. See also under this head, Civil Service Act Amdt.
Returned soldiers and, 1001, 2921 Trade and Commerce Department, salaries, 4606
War bonus, 2924-8 Civil Service Act Amdt. Bill, 2909-22 Arthur Young & Co., 2111 Commissioners, 2914 Salaries of civil servants, 2914, 2922 ' Superannuation, 2915 Coasting, reciprocity in, 1209 Copyright, 4022 Editorial Com., 1566 Eight-hour day, 2856
Fertilizers Act Amdt. Bill, 1568, 2286-90, 2463-7 Fisheries
British Columbia licenses, 933, 936 Fish Inspection Act Amdt. Bill, 949-952 Flax, bounty, 3842 Foreign credits, 3832-6, 3831 Foreign trade
Lyons and other fairs, 3340 North Europe, Canada barred, 1909 High cost of living, 2908 House of Commons-Free conference with Senate, no suspension of sitting of House, 3249
Industrial and scientific research, 3341 Industrial unrest Strikes
Montreal, 1566, 1615, 1663 Winnipeg, 2508, 2799, 2854-5, 2665, 3845 Danger to constituted authority, after-war conditions, etc., 3046 Magdalen Islands-Pictou service, 625 Marking of containers, 2344-5
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Montreal power strike, 1566 Newspapers and periodicals, publication of ownership and control, 1565 Nova Scotia fishing fleet, 1866 Panama Canal, trade via, 1283 Patent, Trade Mark and Design, Copyright and Timber Marking Act Amdt., 4021
Patents Branch, 3808
Proprietary Medicine Bill, 2479-87, 249>2-3, 2653-4, -3823-7, 3939-40 -Royal Navy, Canadians in, 1568 Shipping arid shipping rates, 4684-6 Statistics Act Amdt., 139, 595-9 Steamship services, 1105-6, 1282-1305 Australia, etc., 1105 Baddeck arrd Iona, 1300
European ports, subsidy not needed, 1291
.Freight rates, 3830 Froude's Point and Loekeport, 1301 Great Britain, 1282 Gulf of St. Lawrence, 3827-8 Halifax and West Cape Breton, 1301 Mulgrave, 1302-4 Newfoundland, 1283, 1294 Petit de Grat and Mulgrave, 1303 Petitcodiac and Cumberland, 1303 Pictou, Mulgrave and Cheticamp, 1304 Port Mulgrave and Bras d'Or, 1304 South Africa, 1289 Sydney-Bras d'Or, 3829 IVest Indies and South America, 1283 Trade Commissioners, 3831 Units of electrical measure, 139 Weights and Measures Act Amdt. Bill, 952-4, 2149-59, 2290 Senate amdt., 4021
Maclean, Mr. W. F. (South York)
Canadian National Railway, 1824 Cost of Living Com., 4317, 4325 Daylight Saving, 906
Freight rates and Government-owned railways, 3697
Grand Trunk Pacific receivership, 672 Non-ferrous metals-nickel, 3681-2 Railway Act Consolidation-Municipal and provincial freight bargains, 4141, 4147, 4150
Railway question and tariff question, 675 Railways, public ownership of, 672, 3694 Senate and House of Commons, 643 Senate reform, 4167 Tariff and public ownership, 3694 Weights and measures, 2157 Wheat prices, 4466
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251; prices, competition in agricul- . tural implements, 2o2; highways [DOT] housing-commissions, Food Board, 253; Civil Service-demobilization of men in camps in Canada, 254 Board of Commerce, 4501-5 Budget, 3601. Production and economy, 3602; profiteering - conscription of wealth, 3603; agricultural implement duties-tractors, 3604; food prices, 3605
Daylight Saving, 892, 903 Fertilizers Act Amdt., 1569, 2465 Government railways, private cars, 1589 Livestock Act Amdt., 1572 Oleomargarine, 2201 Rural mail couriers, pay of, 2926 AY eights and measures, 2157 Wheat, price of 1919 crop, 4466 McCrea, Mr. Francis N. (Sherbrooke)
Bank mergers, 1096 Board of Commerce, 4515 Canadian National Railway, 1850 Civil Service organization, 1271 Daylight Saving, 925 Deputy Minister of Interior, 2443 Good roads, 4410
Grand Trunk Pacific receivership, 1154 Newsprint control, 4541, 4547 Seed grain, 1033-5
Tariff, Mr. McMaster's proposed amdt., 838 McCurdy, Mr. F. B. (Colchester)
Civil Service appointments, ques., 2049 Intercolonial Railway rates, 4170 Public Buildings, 4610 Truro, 4611
Resignation from Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment, 4676
Wounded soldiers, Civil Service positions for, res., 981; withdrawn, 1002
McDougald, Mr. Bryson, ques. 2398 McFall, Mr., Food Controller, ques. 4464
McGibbon, Mr. Peter (Muskoka)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 181. Late Sir Wilfrid Laurier -Liberal party', 181; Peace Conference, attendance of Prime Minister-public debt and resources, 182; returned soldiers-tubercular cases, 183; highways-public health, 184


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Canadian Expeditionary Force, patients in England, ques. 615
Civil Service Commission, returned soldier for, 2918
Divorce Court Bill, 3779, 3790 Good roads, 3909 Housing scheme, 2534, 2547 Interned enemy aliens, ques. 844 Jones, General Guy Carleton, ques. 615 Military Service, Guelph Novitiate, 1244 Militia, Permanent Force, 3974 Paralytic military patients in Euclid Hall, ques. 749
Pay and Allowance Board, ques. 3998 Pensions, 4172 Board, ques. 3066 Payments, ques. 1307
Pratt, Col. A. C., statements of, ques. 1213, ques. 1216
Proprietary medicines, 24S0-6, 2492, 2654, 2825-6
Public Health Department, appointments, 1182
Purchasing Commission, 3227 Scientific research, 1193, 1371 Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment, 2767-8 2774-6
Deputy Minister, ques. 2586 Staff, ques. 4240 Soldiers' Land Settlement, 3886 Technical education, 3174, 3805 Telephone companies, 264S Totally disabled soldiers, ques. 1213 Transatlantic flight, ques. 2143 Tuberculosis in cattle, 2988 McGibbon, Mr. Peter Robert (Argenteuil) Farming will save the country, 2963 Lachute custom house, ques. 970 Live Stock Act Arndt., 2066-7 Military management, charges of Gen.
Smart, etc., 1502 Soldiers' land settlement, 3870 McGregor, Mr. Alexander (Pictou)
Pictoi^ registrar, ques. 2144
McGregor, Mr. James D., cattle breeder, 2995 Mclsaac, Mr. James (Kings, P.E.I.)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 248. Late Sir "Wilfrid Laurier -Canada's status after the war, 248; franchise-alien	enemies-Opposition
critics-Peace Conference and presence of Prime Minister, 249; Liberal party -national unity, 250 Boughton Island, 2784 "Brant," steamer, 2607
Mclsaac, Mr. James-Con.
Budget, 3517, 3519. Policy of protection- debt and revenue, 3518;. reciprocity, 3519; labour troubles, East and West, 3520; public debt, 3521 Divorce Court Bill, 3779 Good roads, 3906 Judges' salaries, 2306,, 4214, 4372 Little Sands, 2609
Magdalen Islands-Pictou service, 624 North Lake, 2784 Pictou-Montague service, 1304 Prince Edward Island Railway, 3190 Prohibition, 2687 Proprietary medicines, 2486 Souris fish drier, ques. 1662, ques. 3470 Technical education, 3799, 3893, 4136
McKenzie, Mr. Daniel D. (Cape Breton North and Victoria). See also Leader of the Opposition
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 21. Chosen leader of the Opposition-congratulations to mover and seconder - Soldiers' Civil Reestablishment, 22; returned soldiers-[DOT] distribution of population, 23; Canada's war record-orders in council-* franchise, 24; highways-public health, 25; capital and labour, 26; economy- standard of living-Liberal party-
" Light in the window," 27 Agricultural implements, freight rates on, 4010
Agriculture, increased production, 2959-60 Small farms,' 2975
Agriculture Department, publications, 2989-91
Air Board Bill, 2051-2, 2059 "Alert," The, 1966
Alien enemies, 773. See also under this head, Immigration	.
Baddeck and Iona wharves, 2611 Bankruptcy Bill, 933 Proof of debts, 2264 Trustee, 1981, 1986-8 Remuneration of, 2012 Replacement by creditors, 2003 Banks, excess circulation, 635 Board of Commerce, 4471, 4530, 4554, 4566 Bronze coins, 638
Budget, 3487. Reply to Mr. Cowan, 3487; coal and iron duties, 3490; bounties and protective duties, 3491; public expenditures, 3493; cost of living, 3494; Hon. Mr. Rowell, 3495; Government control of profits-" produce and save," 3496; fisheries, 3497; aliens-labour, 3498; industrial court proposed, 3499; party government - Liberal party's
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trade policy, 3501; lessons of the war, 3504
Business of the House Measures forthcoming, 1342, 3999 Business profits and income taxes, 3709 Cabinet Ministers in Senate, 1009, 2073 Canada Evidence Act Arndt., 1389-93 Canada Medical Act Amdt., 3240 Canada Shipping Act Amdt., 3755-6, 3935 Canadian National Railway Bill Capital stock, 1842
Committee, reference to, suggested, 1621 Constituent companies; 1694 Construction of lines, extension of time for, 1709, 1719, 1721, 1730, 1760-7 Directors, 1656, 1661
Responsibility to Parliament, 1674 Executive Com., 1668 Expenditures, how controlled, 2115 First meeting, amdt., 1667 Fiscal year, 1705	_
General policy, 1730 Labour troubles, reported, 1617 Lines to be included, 1677-80 Management and " politics," 1675 Parliamentary control, 1418 Power to acquire securities of other companies, 1862
Public ownership, 1398-9, 1730, 1750, 1757, 2115
Questions asked, 1610 Canadian Wholesale Grocers' Association -oath, 2016, 2295
Canadians in distress abroad, 2600 Canadians in the war-the nation's gratitude, 4698 Canals .
Positions on, and returned soldiers, 3176-7
Welland, deepening of, 3180 Cape Breton public works, 2782 Censorship: Lewis, Mr. J. H., case of, 270 Christmas Island-East Bay postal route, .2083
Civil Service
Commission, 3234
Efficiency, special com., 1560, 2913 Extra employees during war, 4706 Patronage, 3234
Sessional employees, bonus, 2313-4, 2927 Clark, Mr. Michael, and protection, 3748 Closure, interpretation of rule, 1796	.
Coal, briquetting of, 4489 Coal used by government railways, ques., 611
Cold storage, 2980-1, 2986 Combines, 4601
McKenzie, Mr. Daniel D.-Con.
- Corporation, influence in public affairs, 2039
Cost of Living Com., 4320 Criminal Code Seditious books, etc., 4368 Sexual offences, 2166, 4689 Unlawful associations, 4356 Customs, preventive service, 966 Customs warehouses as storage places for liquor, 956
Customs war tax, 3708 Deserters, punishment of, 72 Divorce Court Bill, 3783-9 Divorce, Privy Council decision, 4535 Dominion Elections Act, 4623, 4648, 4655-7 Dominion Forest Reserves and Parks Act Amdt., 2298-9 Mineral claims, 2300 Dominion Steel Company, 2251, 2254 Dominion water powers, 2519, 2531 Economy in expenditure, 4245 Electric and Power Companies Bill, 4587 Elevators and American grain, 3837-8 Employment works and contracts, 1604-6 Fertilizers Act Amdt.,' 2288 Finance Department salaries, 4477 Fire prevention, 1578-9, 1583 Fisheries
British Columbia canning, 2098 Guardians, 2890-3 Inspection, 949, 951
Maritime Provinces, 2896 Pickled fish, of, 2898 Fisheries Act Amdt. (Salmon), 3759 Fitzpatrick, Sir Charles, payment to, 865 Flint, the late Thomas Barnard, 1341 Foreign credits, 1359, 2188, 2196, 3832 Gabarus beach protection, 2780 Government advertising, 2038 Government by Order in Council, 44S8 Government Printing Bureau, strike, 513 Grand Trunk Pacific receivership, 651, 1145, 1161
Government's legal position, 695 Grand Trunk Railway Bill, 1184 Gunning, Mr. John G., 1435, 1483 Halifax harbour master, 2694, 2801 Halifax-St. Pierre-Miquelon mails, 2092 Health Department, 4380 Highways, 731, 4408, 4431-3 Horse racing, 4466 House of Commons Privileges of-Senate's action, 642 Procedure, reinstatement, preliminary motion under rule 25, 398 Saturday and morning sittings, 3376 Vacancies, 1615
Housing scheme, 2556, 2559, 2564
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Pensions, 3000, 4187-90, 4208 " Unmarried wife," 4274, 4293 Pilotage, 2806-7, 3158, 3160 Post office revenue and expenses, 2037 Printing Bureau strike, 312 Public Health Bill, 1186, 1189, 1203 Social welfare, 1193-4
Public ownership, 1393-9, 1730, 1750, 1757, 2115
Purchasing Commission, 3228-39, 3810, 3814, 4454
Radiotelegraph service, 2849 Railway Act Consolidation, 2617-33
Assistant Chief Railway Commissioner, 2631-3
Disagreement with Senate, proposed three-year limit, 4169	,
Telephone companies - compensation, 2649, 4168
Transmission lines on highways; consent of municipalities, 3090, 3098, 3103, 3115
Railway crossings, 937
Railway rates, municipal and provincial bargains,. 4142
Read, Mr. Joseph, M.P., death of, 1209 Reclamation of Dominion lands, 639 Royal Naval College, 2851 St. Charles River works, Belanger vs. The King, 1025
St. John harbour, 2359, 4306, 4337-8 Scotch Cove, breakrvater, 2782 Seed grain, 1036, 1041 Shipbuilding, 2251, 2254 Soldiers' war gratuity, 2234 Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment, 46S1 Soldiers' Land Settlement, 2778, 3870 Default, re-sale, 3883 Exemption from legal process, 3885-7 Expropriation, 3889-90 Statistics Act Amdt., 595-9 Steamship subsidies
Baddeck and Iona, 1296, 1299 Home prices and, 1292 Newfoundland, 1295, 3829 Sydney-Bras d'Or, 3829 Strikes
Calgary, postal employees, 3194 Post office appointments after strike, 4351
Winnipeg, 2855, 2953, 3070, 3241, 3328, 3472, 3587, 3843, 3927 Trial of arrested parties, 3740 Supply, interim vote, 1919-20, 842 Sydney port, charges, 3158 Tariff, Mr. McMaster's proposed amdt., 808 Taylor, Senator George, death of, 885
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Technical education, 3166, 3173 Payment of subsidy by population, 3893 Provinces and, 3S94-S Titles, 1471, 2703 Trade Commissioners, 4494 Tuberculosis in cattle, 2989 " Tyrian," steamer, 2793 Vancouver harbour, 4017-20 Vocational training, under-age soldiers, 1019
War expenditure, 1359
Vote of $350,000,000, 2166, 2187, 2198, 2224-6, 2232
" Any measure deemed necessary or advisable," 2244
War indemnity, Canada's claim, 777-780 War Measures Act, 2148 Weights and measures, 952-3, 2154-8, 2290 Welland Canal contracts, 1597-1610 Wrecking plants, 2604 Yarmouth bar, 2783 Yukon Act Amdt., 593-5 Yukon placer mining, 630-2 McLean, Mr. Hugh Havelock (Royal) Bankruptcy Bill, 1989, 1992-4 New trustee (amdt.), 2002-4 Notice of purpose of meeting, 2014 Order of court, 2010 Security, default, 2000 Trustee, remuneration, 2011 McLean, Mr., Assistant Chief Railway Commissioner, 2631
McMaster, Mr. Andrew Ross (Brome) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 32. League of Nations, 32; financial position - taxation - franchise, 33; congratulations to mover and seconder-national unity-labour and capital, 34; Bolshevism, 35; Siberian force, 36; orders in council -party government, 37; finance and tariff, 38
Agricultural implements, freight on, 4009 Alpine Club, 4046
Bankruptcy Bill, 1985, 1992-5, 2006-8, 226574, 2278-80
Beef production, 2962
Board of Commerce, 4528-33, 4549-54, 4561 Budget, 3242; amdt. moved, 3260
War expenditures-purchase of Canadian Northern Railway, 3243; national debt-Canadian currency, 3244; taxation, 3247, 3251; trade balance, 3250; estimates, 3251; "Canadian Official Record "-Bureau of Public Information-shipbuilding-housing scheme- Roumanian loan, 3252; high cost of living-tariff, 3254; duty on coal, 3256; mergers, 3259
McMaster, Mr. Andrew Ross-Com.
Canadian National Railway Annual meeting, 1647, 1805 Capital stock, 1821
Construction of lines, extension of time for, 1715-7
Directors, amdt., 1632; withdrawn, 1636 Expenses to be paid out of revenues, 1701, 1705, 2111 First meeting, 1659 Government policy asked for, 1396-7 Orders in Council, 1692 Parliament and expenditure, 2111 Canadian Press news service, 4482-6 Cheese, 2962	'
Civil Service, equality of conditions in, 4479
Combines, 4591 Criminal Code, 4356-62 Aliens and British subjects, 4358-9 Sexual offences, 2161 Unlawful associations, 4356 Dominion Elections Act, 4658 Dominion Iron, & Steel, and Nova Scotia Steel & Coal, 2342 Dominion water powers, 2526-9 Fertilizers Act Amdt., 2289-90 Fisheries inspectors, 2891 Flour mill machinery, 4006 Good roads, 4389
Government by Order ih Council, 2549 Government Employees' Compensation Bill, 940-6	.
Grain Act Amdt., Appeal Board, 4101 Housing scheme, 2537, 2549 . Immigration Act Amdt.-deportation, 1977 Income War Tax
Payment on making return, 3737 Personal and living expenses, 3988-9 Shareholders' profits through " rights," 3727
Unmarried women, 3993 Irrigation Act Amdt., 633 Judges' salaries, Mr. Justice Weir, 4369 Labour's share in railway management, 1823
Lobster, canned, 715-6 Militia
Permanent force, 3967-9 Policy and expenditure, 1889 Milk-marking of containers, 2345 Mines Branch, 4490-1 Newsprint control, 4539 Objectionable words addressed to, point of order, 2538
Oil for asphalt manufacture, 4005 Ottawa, Wellington street, 2497 Parliament Buildings, Hall of Fame, 2503 Patronage, 1271, 1278
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natural resources, development of, 3283	.
Canada Grain Act Amdt., 3943, 3957 Appeal Board, 4103-4 Canadian National Railway, 1803 Civil Service Commission, returned soldier as member, 2909
Elevators and American grain, 3838 Fitzpatrick, Sir Charles, payments to, 871 Military management, charges of General Smart, etc., 1526 Militia pensions, 2760 Parliament Buildings, 2339 Pensions, 4199, 4203
Case of John Taylor, 3001 " Unmarried wife," 4281 Proprietary medicines, 2491-3, 3824-6 Public Health Bill, 1179, 1202-3 Royal Northwest Mounted Police, 2325 Shipbuilding, 2259-60 Slate River-Roslyn station, ques.'3191 Technical education, 3798	.
Titles, 1475, 2718
Wounded soldiers, Civil Service positions ' for, 985
Manitoba Cold Storage Company, 4895 ity and, 711
Manitoba Surface Waters, Dominion author-Manufacturers. See Tariff Maple Syrup and Sugar, ques. 645 Marcil, Hon. Charles (Bonaventure)
Armed vessels on Great Lakes, 1261 Atlantic, Quebec and Western Railway, ques. 605
Canadian National Railway Branch lines, 1677, 1681-2 Directorate, representation of provinces, 1670
Carleton, Que., mail service, ques. 727 Civil Service reclassification, ques. 610 Fisheries jurisdiction, ques. 609 Good roads, 4424
Matapedia Valley, ques. 1662 Government vessels, employees on, - qu"S. 609
Matapedia aqueduct, ques. 745 Naturalization, 4258-9 New Carlisle postmaster, ques. 727 Oyster culture, ques. 609 Pensions, 4178, 4201, 4205-9 Port Daniel lobster hatchery, ques. 609 Quebec Oriental Railway, ques. 605 Restigouche Indian Reserve, ques.' 610 Strikes, 1663
Vocational training, ques. 971 West Indies, trade with, ques. 1533
Marcile, Mr. Joseph Edmond (Bagot)
National Service registration, ques. 1075, ques. 1307, ques. 2296
Marine and Fisheries
Committee, 114 Department
Quebec buildings, ques. 1217, ques. 1439, ques. 1439 Report tabled, 40 Staff and salaries, 2600
Marine Hospitals, 1201
Market Gardening, profits of, 764
Marlow, Col. F. W., ques. 3066
Marshall, Mr. David (East Elgin)
Canned goods, net weight, 2153 Daylight Saving, 903 Marshall, Lieut. Hall, ques. 1790 Martin, Mr. Peter Francis (Halifax)
Pilotage, 2808 Massett, wharf, ques. 603 Masters and Mates, examination, 2601 Matapedia
Aqueduct, ques. 745 Bridge, 2790
Highway expenditure, ques. 1662 Matches, stamps on, 969 Mayrand, Mr. Hormisdas (MaskinongO)
Coast protection, ques. 745 Royal Naval Canadian Volunteer Reserve, ques. 603
Guinness, Hon. Rupert, and, ques. 603
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Meat Supply and foreign demand, 3831 Medicines. See Proprietary
Meighen, Hon. Arthur (Minister of the Interior and Superintendent General of Indian Affairs)
Address in reply to * Governor General's Speech, 514. Tariff, duty on implements, 514; freedom of Parliament- party government, 515; War-time Elections Act, 518; disfranchisement- Canada at the Peace Conference, 518; Union government, 521 Alien enemies, 756 '
Alpine Club, 4046-7 Bills to be introduced, 4456 Board of Commerce, 4466, 4524, 4528-Sf, 4549-67
British subjects interned in Canada, 1713 Canada Evidence Act Amdt. Bill, 1388-94
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Canadian National Railway Bill Abandoning lines, 1709 Capital stock, 1776-8 Advances and securities, 1778 Canadian Northern subsidiaries, 17S4 Closure of debate, 1789 Interpretation of rule, 1796 Constituent companies, 1694 Construction of lines, extension of time for, 1715, -1727, 1760, 1765 Schedule, 1785
Directors, 1624-7, 1653-6, 1783 executive Com., 1668-74 Expenses to be paid out of revenues, 170-3, 1781-2 First meeting, 1664-6 Fiscal year, 1706
Governor in Council instead of shareholders, 1675-6 Head office, 1652 Inquiries, 1782 Labour representation, 2139 Lines to be included, 1679 Parliamentary authority for construction, 1779
Railway and Expropriation Acts to apply, 1695-6
Securities of other companies, 1781;
amdt., 1782; withdrawn, 1862 Work for general advantage of Canada, 1706
Criminal Code arndts.
1.	Unlawful associations, concealed
weapons, etc., 4134, 4356-67 Senate "arndts., 4660
2.	Sexual Offences, 1710, 2159, 2164 Senate amdt., 4634, 4689-90
3.	Fire prevention, 1573-85 Combines Bill, 4198, 4567-70, 4588-4601 Cost of Living Com., 4327
County Court judgeships, vacancies, 1796 Daylight Saving, 142.2
Dominion Forest Reserves and Parks Act Amdt.
1.	Corrective, 17S9, 2297-2305
2.	Land for soldiers, 2963, 3070-3 Dominion Lands Act Amd-t., 1111, 1112
Pre-emptions, power sites, mining, timber, etc., 4251-4
Dominion Lands and Parks. See above, Dominion Forest Reserves and Parks Dominion Lands Surveys Act Amdt., 72, 930-1
Expenditures, 4046-56 . Dominion Power Board, 4048 Dominion water powers, 2291, 2512-31 Doukhobor lands, 2044 Fitzpatrick, Sir Charles, payments to, 852 ' Forestry and timber limits, 4053-4
Meighen, Hon. Arthui-Con.
Grand Trunk Pacific Railway receivership, 1149-59
Greek Gatholies in communion with the Church of Rome, 1383-8 Guelph Novitiate, 1227, 1258-9 Indian lands, mining rights, etc., 4254-7 Indians
Greater production, 4664 Liquor and, 4063 Medical attendance, 4060 Ontario and Quebec, 4668 Reserves, roads and bridges on, 4057-60 Schools, 4063 Tuberculosis and, 406-2 Industrial unrest-Winnipeg strike, pretensions of strikers, duties and responsibilities of Government, Bolshevism, collective bargaining, etc., -3035 Interpretation Act Amdt. (Superior Courts), 1957, 2313, 2959 Irrigation, 4603
Irrigation Act Amdt., 71, 632-3, 696 Judges Act Amdt. Bill (British Columbia), 2305-13, 2954-9
Judges Act Amdt. Bill (salaries), 40634212-38, 4-435-9 Senate arndts., 4661 Juvenile Delinquents Bill, 1383, 3843 Langelier, Magistrate, 1324 Mennonites and Hutterites, 1260 Migratory birds, 4604 Convention, 2164-6 Military Service Act Arndts, by Order in Council, 2294 Defaulters, 971, 1910, 2198, 4238 Uniformity of administration, 130S Wright County, administration, 2400-2 Mining laws, 4257 Oil-bearing lands, 929, 4136 Pelee Island, 4042
Post office appointments after strike, 4349 Railway Belt Act Amdt., -5, 592 Railway policy of Government, 1397 Reclamation of Dominion Lands by Drainage Bill, 71, 639-642, 708-713 Returned soldiers
Government policy concerning, 759 Mining prospectors, as, 4045 St. Lawrence river dams, 886 Seed grain advances, 625-9, 1029-40, 4047, 4054-5
Soldiers' Land Settlement, .2291, 3848-91, 4012-7. See also, under this head. Returned soldiers Land from forest reserves, 2953 Royal Air Force, inclusion of, 1438 Surveys, 4049-51 Taber irrigation district, 4210-2 Tuberculosis and Indians, 4062


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War Measures Act Extension Bill, 1133, 1566, 2097, 2148 Water-power, 4049 Winnipeg strike, 3845 Yukon Act Amdit. Bill, 5, 592 Yukon, government of, 4045-6 Yukon Placer Mining Act Arndt. Bill, 71, 629-63.2
Members of Parliament, accommodation for, 2498
Memnonites, 1260, 1913, 1920-7. See also Immigration
Meroier, Cardinal, 1482, ques. 1611
Messeroy, Mr. John A., ques. 1610
Mewburn, Major-General Hon. S. C. (Minister of Militia and Defence)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 319. Late Sir Wilfrid Laurier -Siberian expedition, 319; demobilization, 322; pensions-soldiers' land settlement, 323; dispersal areas, documentation, transportation, 324; the returned man and his job, 328; priority in return-war service badges, orders, decorations and medals, 327; war records and documents, 330; French Canadian Brigade, 331; soldiers' graves, 332
Air Board and Air Service, 2054, 4687 Bruce, Dr., report of, 1483 Canadians in Imperial Service, 1997 Demobilization, 2173-6
Dental Service, and, 2775 Farmers' sons, of, 1958 Ministerial statement, 1793 Portland, 648	$
Port of debarkation, 2403 Progress of, 4535 St. John, men in garrison, 2236 22nd Battalion, 1616
Enlisted and conscripted men, lists, preparation of, 1908 Guelph Novitiate, 1222 [DOT]Imperial Guards, 2753
Jenkins report on Canadian Army Medical Corps, 358
ICinmel Camp riots, 315
Military management, charges of General Smart, Col. Pratt and Col. Price, 1493 Military Service Act, defaulters, 1208, 4238 Military trials in England, 1959 Militia
Allowances, 1886 Annual drill, 4495 Associations and bands, 1892 Cadet corps, 1888, 1892	,
Mewburn, Major-General Hon, S. C.-Con. Militia-Con.
Command pay, 1886 Engineer services and works, 1892 Headquarters and district staffs, 1893 Returned soldiers and, 1893-8 Peace rank of war officers, 1890 Permanent force, 1898-9, 4495 Rifle ranges, 1894-S Surveys, 4899
Training areas, camps, 1900 Transport and freight, 1900 Units, war, continuance of, 1887 War record of militia, 1889 Militia Act Arndt. (Permanent Force)., 3469, 3966-87
Militia Pensions Act Arndt., 2691-2, 2754-61 Period of service, 2754 Widows and children, 2758 Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, 550
Purchasing Commission, 4448 Roumanian border, proposed Canadian guard, 1618
Siberian expedition, 971 Soldiers
Complaints against authorities, alleged' suppression, 1618 Furlough in France, 272 Halifax, discharge or leave, 1663, 1711 . Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment, 1896 Waf expenditure ($350,000,000), 2173 War trophies and paintings, 2043 Winnipeg strike, 2753 Witley Camp riot, 3472 Michaud, Mr. Pius (Restigouche and Mada-waska)	.	,
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 166. Late Sir Wilfrid Laurier -after-war conditions, 166; women's war work-national unity-highways, 167; railways - tariff - soldiers' dependents, 168
Canadian National Railway, 1816 Clair, N. B„ Immigration agent, 2569 Government Employees' Compensation Bill, 944-5
Militia, permanent force, 2969 Returned soldiers, Civil Service positions for, 1000
Middlebro, Mr. William S. (North Grey) Bankruptcy Bill, 1995, 2266-7, 2279 Board of Commerce Bill, 4559
Second reading-Yeas and nays asked for, 4527
Canadian Pacific Railway Company Bill, 3214
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Resignations
Hon. T. A. Crerar, 3193. See also that title
Hon. T. W. Crothers, 139 " Minto," Icebreaker, ques. 3242 Model Towns. See Garden Villages Molloy, Mr. John Patrick (Proveneher) Budget, 3309. Protection, 3309; farming and tariff, 331J.; industrial unrest- Victory loans, 3313; elections, 3314 Jlutterites, 1382	[DOT]
" Montmagny," Government steamer, ques. 1613
St. Peter's Reserve, ques. 1076, ques. 1613 Sheep industry, pure-bred stock, 2994 Moncton and Buctouche Railway, 1382 Money. See also Banks
Bank and Dominion notes, figures at end of war, 634
Bronze coins. See Currency
Gold held against notes, 635	.
Monk Station roadway, ques. 1438, 2202 Montreal
Admiralty Court, ques. 1440 Conveyance of mails, ques. 979 Port, labour at, ques. 3997 Terminal and tunnel, ques. 1213 Montreal-Ottawa highway, 2791-2 Montreal and Quebec Harbour Commissioners Bill. lr., 3293; 2r„ com., 3757; 3r„ 3761
Morphy, Mr. H. B. (North Perth)
Air Board Bill, 2051	'
Bankruptcy Bill
Order of court, 2010 Trustee, replacement of, 2005 Canada Grain Act Amdt., 3961, 3965 Canadian National Railway Capital stock, 1829
Construction of lines, extension of time for, 1723
First meeting, 1665 Head office, 1665 Civil Service
Efficiency, inquiry into, 1560 Salaries, hig^i and low, 3811 War bonus, 2925
Wounded soldiers, positions for, 997,1002 Combines, 4596-7
Criminal Code-aliens and British subjects, 4359-61
Demobilization, Canadians in British units, 2175
Fisheries, refrigerator service, 2890 Fitzpatrick, Sir Charles, payments to, 870 Highways, 786
Housing scheme, 2544, 2550-2, 2560
Morphy, Mr. H. B.-Con.
Income war tax-trainmen's expenses, 2990-1
Judges' salaries, 4226, 4371 Live Stock Act Amdt. Bill, 2662 Military Service Act, uniformity of administration, 1334 Militia, permanent force, 3970 Naturalization, property rights of aliens, 4260-1, 4270-1
Pensions, 4179, 4181, 4195, 4206-9 " Unmarried wife," 4295 Proprietary medicines, 2486 Purchasing Commission, 3811 Quebec officer charged with embezzlement, 2294
Railway Act Consolidation Bill, 2621-34 Assistant Chief Railway Commissioner, 2632	.
Telephone companies, 2643 Transmission lines on highways, consent of municipalities, 3129 Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment, 2762-3 Taschereau, Mr. Alleyn, ques. 3066 Trade Commissioners, 4493 Weights and measures, 2150-1 Wounded soldiers, Civil Service positions for, 997, 1002 Morris, Col., ques. 2565 Mothers' Pensions, 156 Mounted Police, See Royal Northwest Moving Pictures, 267
Mowat, Mr. Herbert Macdonald (Parkdaie) Air Board Bill, 2057 Bankruptcy Bill, 1986-8, 1994, 2274 Farmers and, 2007 Order of court, 2010	.
Trustees, 2003, 2006 Board of Commerce, 4558-60, 4566 Civil Service, efficiency of, 1558 Divorce Court Bill, 3783, 37&6-8	*
Electric and Power Companies Bill, 4585 Electrocution Bill, 1957 Fire prevention, 1582 French River waterway, 1082 Garden villages for returned soldiers, 761, 4012-3
Judges' salaries and duties, 2312, 2956 Militia, permanent force, 2982 Railway Act Consolidation Bill, 2620-4, 2637
Power clause, amdt., 4147; withdrawn, 4165
Telephone companies, 2643 Transmission lines on highways, consent of municipalities, Hydro-Electric, 3073; amdt., 3082; neg., 3133; 2nd. amdt., 3133; agreed to, 3134 Universal military training, 1891
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Bell, Col. McKelve3r. See under this head, Soldiers
Bruce report, 407^
Canadian Army Medical Service, 358, 513 Censorship, 1110
Dominion Elections Act. Amdt., 4652, 4658 Dominion water powers, 2512, 2515 Doukhobor lands, 2043 Easter adjournment, 886 Farmers' sons overseas-labour shortage, 140 '
Government Employees' Compensation Bill, 942
House of Commons, Wednesday evening sittings, 929
Kinmei Camp riots, 315, 357 Labour situation in the West, 2798-9 Lobster, canned, 715 Marlow, Col. F. W., ques. 3066 North Bruce, returning officer, ques. 2406 Oil, Peace River district, 4135 Pratt, Lt.-Col., statements of and reported resignation of High Commissioner, 647 Printing Bureau strike, 314, 398 Sedition, 3291, 4134 Seed grain, 1029
Shaughnessy, Lord, report interview, 648 Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment, Director of Medical Services, 3240, 3472, 4240 Soldiers, penal servitude, cases, 1029, 1163 Trade discrimination against Canada, 115, 229, 314
Winnipeg strike, 3069
Postal employees, replacement of, 2855 Witley Camp riots, 462
Murray Bay
Ferrs', 4335 Train service, 2449
Musicians, travelling, immigration of, 1942
Myers, Mr. Edward Thomas Wordon (Kindersley)
Budget, 3526. Tariff revision - wheat prices, 3526; returned soldiers and the land-income tax, 3529; natural resources of Western Provinces-tariff, 3530; optimism, 3531 Eston, Sask., experimental farm, 2979 Live stock, pure-bred, 2993-4 Shipbuilding, 2261 Wheat	, .
Crop of 1919, 3471 Shipment facilities, 2261
Napadogan, ice at., ques, 972
National Battlefields Commission, 138, 4482
National Gallery, 2797
National Research Institute, 1565, 1709. See also Industrial
National Service Registration, ques. 1075, ques. 1076, ques. 1306, ques. 2296, ques. '	2296, ques. 2296
Assistant Registrars, payment of, ques. 1907
Bagot County, ques. 1307 Employees, ques. 2145 Expenditure, ques. 2296 Rental, ques. 2145
Salaries, ques. 1306, ques. 1440, ques. 2565" Unpaid accounts, ques. 2296
National Transcontinental Railway. See
Canadian National
Natural Gas, Pelican Rapids, 4605
Naturalization, 1046. See British Nationality; Immigration
Natural Resources. See Dominion Lands; Mines and Minerals Development of, 302, 3283
Naval Air Bases, ques. 1532 Naval Service
" Canada," H.M.C.S., ques. 1340, ques. 1534 Canadians in Royal Navy, 1434, 1483 Courts martial, members of, ques. 1534 Department of Report tabled, 111 Staff and salaries, 2811 Destroyers, ques. 880, ques. 1534 Discharge of men, 1959, 1996 " Hochelaga," dismissal of officer, ques. 1340
Kingsmill, Admiral, ques. 1340 Ministerial statement, 2810 Newfoundland R.N.R. ratings, ques, 1611 Pay claims, ques. 746 Recruiting, ques. 646, ques. 747 Seymour Narrows battery, ques. 975 Trawler No. 30, ques. 975 " Tuna,"' H.M.C.S., sale of, ques. 1534 Wireless, separation allowance, ques. 1905
Navigation, Aids to, 2608-10 Negroes, Rioting in England by, 3741 Neil's Harbour, 2781
Nesbitt, Mr. Edward Walter (North Oxford) Bank mergers, 1095 Bankrupty Bill
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Canadian National Railway Company Commission control, 1403 Executive Com., 1673 Cost of Living Com., 4313 Daylight Saving, 899
Fitzpatrick, Sir Charles, payments to, 874 Grand Trunk Pacific receivership, 691 Immigration of illiterates, 1961, 1964 Income tax, number of taxpayers, 3726 Militia pensions, 2757-8 Pensions, 4182-98, 4201-10 Prohibition, 2351
Public ownership of railways, 692 Purchasing Commission, 3205 Railway Act Consolidation Bill, 2626-34, 2640
Telephone companies, 2643-4, 2649 Transmission lines on highways; consent of municipalities, 3131 Railway crossings, 937 Seed grain advances, 626 Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment, 2763, 2769	[DOT]
New Carlisle postmaster, ques. 727
Newfoundland. See Steamship services
New Harbour, N.S., 2783
Newspaper Postage, ques., 727
Newspapers and Periodicals, publication of ownership and control, 1562, 2016, 4483
Newsprint Control, ques. 613, ques. 752
Newsprint Control Bill. Res., 4535; lr., 4549; 2r„ 4662; 3r„ 4663 '
New Westminster, railways, and, 423, 426
New Zealand, markets in, 2222
Nicholson, Mr. Donald (Queen's, P.E.I.) Judges' salaries, 4369, 4373
Nicholson, Mr. George Brecken (East Algoma)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 143. Returned soldiers, 143; housing-capital and labour, 144, 145; tariff, 144; Department of Labour- franchise, alien enemies - Bolsheviki, 145; returned soldiers - patronage - commissions, 146; General Pau

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Grand Trunk Pacific receivership, 683, 1137 High Cost of Living Com., 4009
Special report, motion for concurrence, 4307-8, 4333
Immigration Act Amdt.
Illiterates, 1962 Interned alien enemies, 1947 Land for soldiers, 3071 Liquor, illegal exportation, 960 Little Current, 2789
Military management, charges of Gen. Smart, etc., 1527
Military Service Act, uniformity of administration, 1333 Pensions, " Unmarried wife," 4287 Post office appointments after strike, 4352 Prohibition, 2669
Public ownership of railways, 682 Purchasing Commission, 3205 Railway Act Consolidation Bill, 2627 Telephone companies, 2649-50 Railway engineers-cattle on track, 2617 Rural postmasters, 2035 Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment, 2769 Titles, 2720
Water-borne traffic, rates, 2951 Nickel, 1053, 3681
Nickle, Mr. William Folger (Kingston) Board of Commerce, 4519 Coasting trade with United States, 1110, 1209
Criminal Code Election by prisoner, 4366-7 Unmarried registering as married, 2160 Divorce Court Bill, 1662, 3761, 3779, 3883-91 Fitzpatrick, Sir Charles, payments to, 858 Good roads, 3910, 4416 Grand Trunk Pacific receivership, 677 Immigration, orchestras, 1943 Income tax, 3736 Judges, 3716
Shareholders' profits through " rights," 3728
Industrial unrest - after-war conditions, profits, sympathetic strikes, etc., 3025 Military Service Act, uniformity of administration, 1336 Militia pensions, 2755-60 Militia, permanent force, 3967, 3971, 3985 Pensions,- " Unmarried wife," 4283-5 Public ownership of railways, 680
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Canadian Northern Railway, ques. 1212 Civil Service, state of, 4605 Fuel Controller, ques. 2145 Leases of oil lands, ques. 2190 Public health, social welfare, ques. 1205 Rate of exchange, ques. 2145
Pardee, Mr, Frederick Forsyth (West Lamb-ton)
Budget, 3532. Tariff and popular unrest, 3542; profiteering, 3544; income tax- tax-free bonds, 3545; duties of labour and of capital, 3546 Daylight Saving, 918 Housing scheme, 2547 Judges' salaries, 2955
Railway Act Consolidation; transmission lines on highways; consent of municipalities, 3123 Shipping, transfers, 3928
Parent, Mr. George (West Quebec)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 540. Late Sir Wilfrid Laurier, 540; returned soldiers, 541; highways -housing-Northern Quebec, Ungava, 542; excess profits tax-Military Service defaulters, 544; Qudbec and national unity, 545 '
Bankruptcy, remuneration of trustees, 2013 British Nationality, Naturalization and Aliens Consolidation Bill, 3821 Canadian National Railway Deficit, 2456	'	.
Quebec, conditions in, 2457 Dominion water powers, 2517, 2529 Parliament Buildings, 2331-41 Pilotage, 2806
St. Charles River dredging, 2788 St. Laurent, Isle of Orleans, 2785 St. Lawrence ship channel, 2608 Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment, 2769-70 Steamers, " Lady Evelyn " and " Princess," ques. 3680
Parent, Dr. Rufus H., ques. 1213
Paris Agency, 1901
Paris or French Foot (measure), 952-4
Pariseault, Lieut., ques. 884
Parkinson, Lieut.-Col., ques. 1441
Parliamentary Procedure. See Speaker; Deputy Speaker; House of Commons
Parliament Buildings, 2331-41 Allocation of space, joint Committee with Senate, 3782, 3585, 3680 Materials, construction, plans, probable date of completion, etc., 2331-41, 4621
Parliamentary Documents, distribution of,. 2455
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Parliamentary Restaurant, Committee on, 115
Paroles, McMillan, Pearson and Heaton, 4070
Party Government and parties, 15, 27, 32, 37, 55, 69, 97, 108, 125, 268, 344, 371, 376391, 412, 440, 489, 515, 530, 566, 570, 807, 1633, 1746
Patent Medicines. See Proprietary Patent Record, 3842
Patent, Trade Mark and Design, Copyright and Timber Marking Act Arndt. Bill.
lr„ 3808; 2r., 4021; com., 3r„ 4023
Patents, Commissioner of. See Patent, etc., Bill
Patriotic Fund. See Canadian Patriotic
Patronage, 146. See also Highways Canadian National Railway, 1639 Civil Service and, 387. See also Civil Service
Medical men and, 171 Port Hastings, 961 Postmasters, 410, 412 Printing Bureau and, 387
Pau, General, visit of to House, 137, 141, 147
Peace, 1, 125. See also League of Nations; War; Reconstruction Armistice, terms of, 2042 Celebration of, 4238 Costa Rica, message, 2
Peace Conference, 446
Canada's position in, 248, 777 Canada's representation at, 1, 14, 18, 132, 142, 148, 169, 182, 242, 249,. 265, 272, 351, 367, 389, 421, 474, 478, 495, 530, 1381, 3676
Poland and Ukrainians, etc., 3472. See also Poles
Peace Treaty, 2096 Civil and religious liberty, 2043 Copy of terms, 4239 Labour provisions, 4239, 4692 Eigh/t-hour day, 2044 Ratification, 2200 Signing of, 3473 Summary, 2146
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Address in reply to Governor Qeileral's Speech, 463. Thanks for reception- late Sir Wilfrid Laurier-answer to criticisms of leaders of Canadian Corps, 463; Cambrai, 464; La Vicoigne -Sir Arthur Currie's care of soldiers' lives, 466; his promotion-Mons, 467; Canadian soldiers and British press and public, 468; Sir Charles Ferguson, 469; reconstruction, support of public opinion needed-women's war * work, 470; Kinmel Camp riots, conduct of Canadian soldiers at Rhyl-Union government-Liberals and Unionists- free trade, 471; Grand Trunk Pacific- unifying effect of the trenches, 472 British Columbia salmon and halibut, 1535 Budget, 3676. Prime Minister and Peace Conference-free trade, 3676; social unrest-income, inheritance and land values taxes, 3677
Enters House of Commons Chamber, 185 Massett wharf, ques. 603 .
Military management, charges of Gen.
Smart, Col. Pratt and Col. Price, 1501 Pensions, 4174, 4178, 4180, 4293 Railway Act-municipal rate bargains, 4141 Soldiers' graves, 332
Pedlow, Mr. Isaac Ellis (South Renfrew) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 185. Late Sir Wilfrid Laurier, 185-186; Col. Peck, V.C., 185; victory and peace, 186; returned soldiers, 187; Liberal party, 189; finance, 191; tariff, 193
Agricultural implements, duties on, 3694, 3705
Arthurs, Col. James, M.P., ques. 2653 Bankruptcy, 2472-3 Bureau of Statistics, 3178 Business profits war tax, 3710 *Canadian National Railway, 1410
Capital stock, 1816
Construction of lines, extension of time, 1773
Finance, Parliamentary control, 2137
President's salary, 1658 Canadian Press news service, 4485 Canal statistics; salaries, 3178-9 Cold storage, 2984, 2987 Combines, 4568-71, 4588 Draper, Mr. P. M., Printing Bureau, ques. 3999
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Appointments and returned soldiers, ques. 605
Employees, ques. 611 Vancouver office, ques. 3377 Committee, 139, 424, 550, 3926, 3997 European war and active militia (vote of $28,000,000), 3000 Number, etc., ques. 1076 Orders in Council tabled, 312 Payments, ques. 1307 Widows of Generals, 2448 Permanent Force. See Militia Act Amdt. Peticlerc, Mr. Joseph, 164 Petitcodiac River, 2898 Piche, Lt.-Col., ques. 600, ques. 2871 Pictou Island, 2793 Pilotage, 2610
Report tabled, 185. See also Canada Shipping
Ploughs, Duty on, 3690. See also Agricultural implements; Budget Poles and Ukrainians, etc., 3472, 446i5, 4534, 4620, 4690. See also Peace Pollution of Navigable Waters Bill, lr., 2199 Pomeroy, Major A. L., Inspector of Farms, ques. 2567 Population
Cities and provinces, ques. 1535 Trend to urban centres, 896 Porter, Mr. Sydney P., 1638, 1834 Port Felix, Custom House, 956 Port Hood Wharf, 2782 Portland Cement, duty on, ques. 1612 Port Mann, ques. 979 Port Nelson. See Hudson Bay Postmaster General Report tabled, 40
Representation in House of Commons, ques. 1974. See also Ministers Post Office. See also Industrial unrest; Strikes
Calgary employees after strike, 3194 Letter carriers Bonus, 2084 Overseas service, 2444 Toronto, 1341 Letter rate, 4621 Lewis, Mr. J. H., ques. 3068 Mail carriers, 413
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Alcoholic content of, ques. 646 War tax, ques. 1107
Proprietary Medicine	Act Amdt.	Bill. lr.,
1259;	2r., com., 2479; ref. to special
com., 2653; com., 3823; 3r., 3938 Prorogation, 4701 Protection. See Budget; Tariff Proulx, Mr. Edmond (Prescott)
Bankruptcy, 2279, 2469-70, 2474 Budget, 3460. Taxes-economy in public expenditure, 3460; good roads, 3461 Canadian National	Railway,	coal, ques.
Civil Service, specialists, 1184 Currie, Sir Arthur, proclamations by, ques. 607
Customs and Inland Revenue, salaries, 954 Fitzpatrick, Sir Charles, payments to, 855 Fort William, railway lands, ques. 883 Franchise, 4622 Good roads, 3908 Hanna, townsite of,	ques. 1535
Hart, Mr. James I.,	ques. 602
Hawkesbury-Grenville bridge, 2791-2 Judges' salaries and duties, 2311, 2958, 4226, 4370, 4375
Exemption from income tax, 4234 O'Connor, Mr. W. F., K.C., 2453 Port Mann, ques. 979
Repatriation Committee, ques. 613, ques. 1340
Ridley, Mr. John, ques. 2398, ques. 2566 Roe, Mr. James Sydney, ques. 1216 Speaker, Mr., living allowance, 2445 Provident Fund. See Intercolonial Provincial Autonomy. See Housing; Highways; Technical Education Public Accounts, 138 Committee, 113
Public Buildings, 2508, 4610. See Parliament; also names of localities
Public Debt. See Budget; War expenditure Public Health, 2, 15, 21, 25, 94, 97, 135, 184, 214, 223, 456, 490, 504. See also Health Department Bill
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Militia pensions, 2754
Soldiers, wounded, Civil Service positions for, 982
Regimental Funds Board, ques, 2904 Registration. See National Service Reid, Hon. John Dowsley (Minister of Railways and Canals)
Department of Railways and Canals Salaries, 1588 Solicitor, 1592
Canadian National Railway. See also, under this head, Canadian National Railway Company Bill Construction and betterments, 3190, 4614 Death of employee, compassionate allowance, 3175
Expenditure, estimated, 4688 Intercolonial Railway, 2133 Labour trouble, reported, 1617 Operation, 4615-8 Patronage, 1642
Prince Edward Island Railway, 3190, 4618
Private cars, 1590 Rates, 4171, 4615-8
Canadian National Railway Company Bill, 1395-1404,	1405-22,	1620-30,	1640-7,
1653-9, 1667-71, 1676-95, 1705, 1713-6, 1724-5, 1750-4, 1760, 1766-70, 1774, 1779, 2098, 2133-6
Com., suggested ref. to., 1623 Construction of lines, extension of time for, 1713-6, 1724, 1769 Charters, schedule of, 1766 Directors, 1627, 1630, 1640, 1654 British Columbia, from, 1629 Executive Com., 1667 Management and operation, 1677-81, 1691
Reid, Hon. John Dowsley-Con.
Canadian National Railway-Con.
Powers to construct under Order in Council, 1767
Provinces, representation of, 1370 Railways to be included, 1677-81 United States, in, 1693 Securities, 1769-70 Canals
Power development and export, 1599 Trent,' 3188-9
Welland, deepening, work for returned soldiers, 1592-1610, 3175-87 Civil Service
Com. of inquiry, 1709 Salaries, 1591
Coal, railway contracts for, 1909 Correction of report of speech, 3188, 3221, 3378
Custom houses, as storage places for liquor, 956, 964 Daylight Saving, 919
Electric and Power Companies Bill, 4572-3, 4583-7
Freight rates on raw sugar, 3471 Government Employees' Compensation Bill, 701-8, 938-948	.
Government railways, reference to ministerial statement, 1589 Private cars, 1590	[DOT]
Grand Trunk Pacific receivership, 399 Highways Aid Bill, 730, 785, 3899-3926, 4391, 442.3, 4426-8
Arndt, (agreement with Province), 4'431 LOvis station, 2458 Location of railways, 2510-1 National Research Institute, 1709 Paradis, Mr. M., claim of, 3189 Railway Act Consolidation Bill, 936, 2617-*52, 3(134
Senate disagreement, 4064-9 Board control of rates, 4136, 4139 Telephone companies, 4166 Transmission lines on highways; consent of municipalities, 3134 Railway crossings, 697-701, 936-8 Railways and Canals Department Salaries, 1588 Solicitor, 1592
Railways and steamships, 4683-5 St. Charles River works, Belanger vs. The King, 1023
St. John and Quebec Railway, 2567, 2798 St. Lawrence River water powers, 1796 War Board, railways and Daylight Saving, 909, 929
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Agricultural implement duties and freight rates, 3697-8, 3706
Boland, Dr., M.P., welcome to, on release from German prison, 4 Board of Commerce, 4528-30 Business of the House
Legislation to be brought down, 1616, 2398
Weekly statement of prospective legislation, 599
Canada Grain Act Amdt., 3956-60 Canals, contracts, system of, 1598-1600 Canadian Trade Commission, ques. 644 Caughnawaga Reserve, 2902, 4057-8 Civil Service, enlisted men, 2925 Committee, Standing, 2 Cost of Living, 4316 Customs, rebate of duty, ques. 646 Dairy products and the war, 2966-8 Delayed returns, 886 Dominion water powers, 2513-7, 2523 Exhibitions, 2973 Toronto fair, 2997
Export trade, Trade Commission, etc., 2238 Farm help, demobilization of farmers' sons, 1958
Flour mill machinery, 4006 Franchise Bill, probable date, 2906 Good roads, 3902, 4392
Grain trade-operation of elevators, 4087, 4099-4100
Grand Trunk Pacific receivership, 686 Greece, supply of wheat to, ques. 2907 Housing scheme, 2540, 2564 Income tax and judges' and others' pensions, 3711, 3719
Income, taxable, gross, ques. 2294 Laurier, Sir Wilfrid, death of, 3 Live Stock Act Amdt. Bill, 2061-7 Militia
Accounts, audit of, ques. 2199 Permanent force, 2968, 2974 Amdt. to 3r. of Bill, 4002 National harbours and grain trade, 3751 Oil for asphalt manufacture, 4005 Pension cases, 3003
Rails from Canadian railways sent overseas, 2239 Railways
Public ownership of, 686 Provinces and branch lines, .695 Reclamation of Dominion Lands, 708 Schools and religious teaching, 2413 Seed grain advances, 1040, 1042, 4047 Sharpe, Lieut.-Col„ death of, 3 Siberia, economic commission, ques. 613 Statistics Act Amdt., 595-9 Trade discrimination in Britain, 72
Robb, Mr. James Alexander-Con.
War expenditure
Vouchers for overseas payment, 1710 $350,000,000 vote, 2237 War Measures Act, 2148 Water-borne traffic, control of rates, 2942, 2950
Weights and measures, 2149 Wheat, free, 3707
Winnipeg strike, postal employees, 2508 Roe, Mr. James Sydney, ques. 1216 Ross, Commander J. K. L., offer of destroyer, ques. 880, 1534
Ross, Mr. Duncan Campbell (West Middlesex)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 500. Sir Arthur Currie, 500; demobilization - prospective deficit, 501; vocational training, pensions, land settlement, 502; franchise - War-time Elections Act, 50.3; public health-[DOT] farmers and profiteering, 504; Daylight Saving - interior terminal elevators, 505; rural credits-tariff, 506; national unity, 507
Canadian National Railway Bill, 1669-70 Daylight Saving, 903 Fisheries, officers, 2893, 2895 Live Stock Act Amdt. Bill, 2065-6 Railway Act Consolidation; transmission fines on highways; Hydro-Electric, 3091	.
Reclamation of Dominion Lands, 641
Ross, Mr. P. D. 2915-7 Buildings owned by, rental of, ques. 1438
Rosslyn, 3191
Ross Rifle, ques. 976, 1614
Roumania. See Foreign trade
Rowell, Hon. Newton W. (President of the Privy Council)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 368. War's effect on Canada's national status-Canada and Germany contrasted, 358; Imperial War Conference, 359; Dominions and foreign affairs - Imperial War Cabinet or Council, 360; the 'Dominion and the Crown - Imperial War Cabinet and Parliament of Canada, 362; Dominions and Prime Minister of Great Britain, direct communication, 365; consulting Parliament, 366; Peace Conference, Canada's representation - League of Nations, 367; Russia, Bolshevism, 368; Canada's war troops, Gen. Sir Arthur Currie, 370
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Royal Naval College, 2850 Royal Northwest Mounted Police, 173, 4672 Appropriation accounts tabled, 40 Supply: Increase of the force; history, war record, etc., 2313
Royal Northwest Mounted Police Act Amdt. Bill. Res., 2509; lr., .2532; 2r„ com., 2695; 3r., 2752; Senate amdt., 3809, 3823"
Royal Society of Canada, report tabled, 13S Rural Credits, 506
Ruthenians, 1938, 3472. See also Poles .
Ste. Anne de Bellevue, soldiers' hospital, ques. 1212
Ste. Barnabe Island, ques. 4464
St. Catharines Bay and Tadoussao service,
St. Charles River
Belanger vs. The King, 1021 Contract for damming, ques. 677 Works, 1279, 2788
Ste. Famille wharf, 2786
St. Gedeon, postmaster, 410, ques. 972
St. John Harbour, 2359
St. John Harbour Commission Bill. Res., 4299; lr„ 2r„ com., 4306; 3r., 4339
St. John and Quebec Railway Bills
1.	Gagetown and Westfield, lr., 41; 2r.,
com., 696; 3r., 784
2.	Centreville and Andover. Res., 2567;
lr„ 2568; 2r„ com., 2799; 3r„ 2800
St. Laurent wharf, 2785 St. Lawrence
Coal trade, shipping for, 4335 Dams, 886
North shore, communication, 411
Ship channel, 2608
Water power. See that title
St. Lawrence River Power Company, 2396
St. Louis Road property, ques. 604. See Gustave
St. Malo Workshops, ques. 1212
Ste. Marie wharf, ques. 1958
St. Pierre-Miquelon mails, 2092
St. Stanislaus Novitiate. See Military Service, Guelph
St. Zotique-River Beaudette roadway, ques. 2144
Saguenay and Labrador winter communication, ques. 2565
Salmon Fishing Licenses. See Fisheries Act Salvarsan, sale of, ques. 2144 Sanders, Lieut. J., ques. 3067 Saskatoon public building, 739
Savard, Mr. Edmond (Chicoutimi-Saguenay) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 406. Late Sir Wilfrid Laurier -French Canadians, 407; enlistment in Chicoutimi and Saguenay, 408; draft evaders-cost of living-woman suffrage, 409; patronage, local postmasters, 410, 412; returned soldiers, [DOT]410; North shore communication, 411 Boudreault, Mr. Benjamin, ques. 1439 CotO, Mr. Louis, ques. 2566 L'Hereux, Maj. Napoleon, ques. 978 Military Service Registrar, Montreal, ques. 973
Pariseault, Lt„ ques. 884
St. Gedeon, postmaster, ques. 972 Saguenay-Labrador, ques. 2565 Tadoussac-Labrador, ques. 3327
Saw Pit Wharf, 2782
School and Dominion Lands in Taber irrigation district, 4210
Schools, Dominion, non-sectarian, 2403. See Education
Schools of Navigation, 2601 Scientific Research. See Industrial Scotch Cove, 2782
Scott, Mr. Frank Stewart (South Waterloo) Budget, 3302. Siberian expedition-tariff-[DOT] shoe manufacture, 3302; business profits tax

income tax, 3307; Canada's record, 3309
Canadian National Railway, 2111 Public ownership of railways, 2111
Seaweed, 2787 Secretary of State
Powers of in naturalization. See British Nationality Report tabled, 138
Sedition and Seditious Propaganda Com,,
1956, 3285. See also Criminal Code; . Immigration; Naturalization
Seduction. See Criminal Code
Seed Grain, ques. 979, 2446, 4047, 4054-5
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2296, ques. 4464 Cold storage, 2983 "Earl Grey," icebreaker, ques. 2145 Fertilizers Act Arndt., 2287-9 Good roads, 4434
Greater production grant, ques. 600, ques. 2566
Judges' salaries, 4223 " Minto," icebreaker, ques. 3242 Oyster culture, 2892, 2898 " Prince Edward," car ferry, 4618 Prince Edward Island Railway, 460, ques. 4377
Soldiers at Halifax, 1663
Sinclair, Mr. John H. (Antigonish and Guys-borough)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 51. Mr. McKenzie, leader of the Opposition - late Sir Wilfrid Laurier, 51; victory and peace, 52; highways and housing, provincial rights

shipbuilding, 53; Military Service Act, 54; Union government- party, 55; patronage and graft-public loans, 56; food and Food Board- prices-industrial unrest, 57; Civil Service-trade with the United States, 58; efficiency, 60; Government commissions, 61; labour and reconstruction, 62
Air Board Bill, 2051, 2057
Alien enemies, property of, ques. 1535
Amherst
Doctors, payments to, ques. 3i377 Internment camp, 2565, 3848 Mineral Water Company, ques. 3997 Anti-loafing, ques. 883 Arisaig Wharf, 2780 Ballantyne's Cove, 1302 Bankruptcy Bill, 2004 Bear River, ques. 3242 Bliss, Dr. C., ques. 3397 Board of Commerce, 4556-8, 4566 British Columbia fishing licenses, 934 Bruce, Dr., report of, 1483 Business Profits Tax, ques. 1791 Canada Food Board, ques. 602 Canada Shipping Act, 3756-7, 3931-7 Canadian Expeditionary Force, ques. 1440, ques. 2798
Canadian Generals, portraits of, ques. 1905
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Canadian Mission in London, ques. 1905 Canadian National Railway Abandoned lines, 1709 Annual meeting, 1810 Construction of lines, extension of time for, 1721
' Directors, 1671, 1810
Finance, parliamentary control, 1417, 2124 Fiscal year, 1706
Governor in Council instead of shareholders, 1676 Steamships, 1681-4
Canadian Northern Railway, net earnings, ques. 2462
Canadian vessels requisitioned by Admiralty, ques. 1908
" Canadian Voyageur," steamer, ques. 1212 " Canadian Warrior," steamer, ques. 3327, ques. 3470, ques. 4241 Canals
Positions on, and returned soldiers, 3177 Welland, deepening of, 318L4 Canso
Distressed seamen, 2614 Harbour master, 3158 Cars and rails, contracts for, ques. 1907 Censorship, Hazel Hill and Canso, ques. 847
Civil Service Appointments, 963 Commissioners, 2909, 2916 Efficiency, 1559 Overmanning of, 4672 Combines, 4570, 4592-7	[DOT]
Copyright, 4022
Dominion Elections Act, 4621, 4629, 4648-51 Dominion Parks, sites in Western Nova Scotia, 2304
Dominion water powers, 2513, 2515 Duchemin, Mr. H. P., ques. 1536, ques. 1791 Economic Commission to Siberia, ques. 1535
Economy, 4051, 4673
Experimental Farms, 2977
Fair wage officer, Nova Scotia, ques. 1907
Farm tractors, ques. 1536, ques. 2048
Fertilizers Act Arndt., 2286-9, 2464-6
Fish and Fisheries
Compulsory inspection, 951 Lobsters, 714-726, 2894, 2899, 2900 Oysters, 2894 Protection service, 2848 Salmon (Fisheries Act Arndt.), 3758-61 Twine and cordage, 3708 Waste, utilization of, 3341 Foreign credits, Italy, 3831-3 Fort Lawrence, dredging, ques. 3680
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Farmers and, 3698 Raw sugar, on, 3471 Gold, prohibition of export, 1103 Goodwin, Dr. B. E., ques. 4070, ques. 4465 Gordon. Hon. Major Rev. C. W., ques. 1440 Government Employees' Compensation Bill, 70.2-7, 938-9
Government-owned vessels, 974-5, ques. 1306
Grand Etang, 2609
Grand Trunk Railway Company Bill, 1185 Guysborough public building, ques. 846 Halifax
Harbour master, 2802 Pilotage rate, 2694 Terminals, ques. 2398 Heatherton-Canso mail route, 2090 " Helena," motor boat, ques. 3998 Homestead entries, ques. 751 House of Commons-questions and returns, 648
Housing scheme, 2562 Immigration Act Arndt.
Discharged seamen, 1979 Illiterates, 1966
Penalty on transportation complaints, 1978
Immigration and Colonization Department, 2572
Income war tax, 3717-8, 3725 Losses, 3991 Unmarried women, 3993 Intoxicating liquors, illegal handling of, ques. 883, 960 Judges
County Court, 1769, ques. 2565 Salaries, 4375 Land values tax, 3839 Lands for school purposes, ques. 848 Live stock shipments, 2603 Livingstone's Cove, 2780-1 Loans, public, 4242
$100,000,000, cost of, ques. 1907 Lobster, canned, 714-726 " McKee," steamer, ques. 1212, ques. 2397 Marine hospitals, 1201 Marine rates, ques. 4241 Matches, stamps on, 969 Military Service
Deserters and absentees, ques. 879 Expenditure, ques*. 973 Guelph Novitiate, 1248	[DOT]
Militia
Pensions, 2759 Permanent force, 2986 Morris, Col., ques. 2565 Mulgrave services, 1302, 1304 National harbours, 3743-4
Sinclair, Mr. John H.-Con.
National Parks, 4051-2 Naturalization, 4270-2
Naval recruiting in Prince Edward Island, ques. 646
Naval Service, 2836 Bronze Star, ques. 602 Discharge of men, fisheries needing help, 1959
New Harbour breakwater, 2783 Newspapers and periodicals, publication of ownership and control, 1564, 2021-3 Old-age pensions, 1268 Parliament Buildings, 2334 Patriotic Fund, 1164 Pensions, 4188, 4199
" Unmarried wife," 4281 Pictou Island, 2793 Pilotage, 2612, 2803, 2804, 2807, 3159 Port Felix custom house, 956 Postage rate
Letters, suggested reduction, 2041 Newspapers, ques. 727 Post Office supplies, 2091 "Prince George," steamer, ques. 746 Provident Fund Act, ques. 2045 Provincial subsidies, ques. 744 Public Health Department, 1191 Appointments, 1182 Public Works, Nova Scotia, 2781 Purchasing Commission, 3230, 3238-9, 4454 Railway Act Consolidation - telephones, 4167
Railway crossings, 936 Railways, subventions to, ques. 604 Reclamation of Dominion Lands, 709-713 Rideau Junction townsite, ques. 2398 Royal Naval College, 2850 Rural postmasters, ques. 1536 St. John Harbour Commission, 4302-3, 4337-8
Seed grain, 627, 1035-40 Shipbuilding, 1688, 2211, 2259-61, 4683-4 England, in, cost of, 2213 Permanency in Canada, 2260 Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment, 1770-2 Soldiers' Settlement Board, 1075 Soldiers^ Land Settlement Nova Scotia loans, ques. 847 Solicitors, ques. 883 Statistics Act Arndt., 596 Steamship services, 1283, '1284 Steam shovels for Militia Dept., ques. 1907 Taxation, statistics of, 3839 Technical education, 3167-73, 3793, 3896 Telephone companies, 2646 Trawlers
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War Purchasing Commission, ques. 1216
War Trade Board, 2073
Weights and measures, 2149
" Willihad," steamer, ques. 616
Wine Harbour, 2783
Wrecking plants, subsidies, 2603-5
Slate River, 3191
Slides and Booms, 4607
Smart, Brig.-Gen., charges by, 1099, 1483
Smith, Mr. William (South Ontario) Daylight Saving, 893
Social Hygiene Conference, ques. 3068
Social Welfare. See Public Health
Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment, 81, 1896, 4673
Department of
Allowances; vocational training, 2776 Buildings, etc., vocational training, 2764 Deputy Minister, 3586 Director of Medical Services, resignation of, Col. F. McKelvey Bell, 3240, 3422, 3472, 3926, 4674 Hospitals, 2774
Maintenance of patients, 2770 Officials without overseas record, 4240 Parliamentary Secretary, resignation of, Mr. F. B. McCurdy, 185, 974, 4676 Report tabled, 270
Representation in House of Commons, 974
Staff and salaries, 2761, 2772, ques. 4240, 4479
Soldiers' Land Settlement, 88, 96, 153, 185, 300, 323, 343, 395, 413, 446, 588 Board, ques. 1075 Salaries, 2452 Solicitors, ques. 883 Land from forest reserves, 2953 Offers of land, ques. 610 Royal Air Force, inclusion of, 1437 Santa Lucia, troops at, ques. 615 See also Soldiers' Land Settlement Bill; Dominion Lands and Parks; Dominion Forest; Reclamation
Soldiers' Land Settlement Bill, 1616. lr., 2291; 2r., com., 3848, 4012; 3r„ 4073 Board of Commissioners, 3873 Compulsory purchase, 2875 Default, resale, 3882-4
Exemption from seizure under ordinary laws, 3885
Free soldier grants, 3879, 4014 Garden villages, 4012. See that title
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Liens, statement of, 3888 Loans on stock, fruit trees, etc., 3890, 4014 Regulations, 4014 School lands, 3879 Security, 3887 Surveys, 3890 Taxation, 3888 Title to land, 3874
Soothing Syrups. See Proprietary Sowden, Mr. Felix M., ques. 729 Speaker (Hon. Edgar N. Rhodes)
Living allowance, 2445 Rulings and statements of Adjournment-matter of urgent public interest-leave to discuss (Gen. Smart and Col. Pratt's charges), 1099, 1101 Appeal from decision to House-Daylight Saving, 1432 Bills
Introduction, unprinted, not in order, 3754
Motion to commit, limits of debate on, 2617
Second reading, limits of discussion, 3200, 3818, 4506-9 Chair to be addressed, 3639 Committees
Appointment of members opposed to principle, 1482
Reference in House to proceedings of, 3590, 3603
Report of-to be accepted as regular, 4313, 4320
Amendment of, procedure in, 2722 Clerical errors, correction of, 2616 Daylight Saving '
Motion, form of, 928 Time of meeting of House under, 1432 Debate, special latitude of, 4141 Debating same subject twice-Mr. Mc-Master's amdt. to the Budget allowed, 3260, 3677
Divisions-not needed if no contrary voice, 4527
Galleries of House, 1910 Internal Economy, Board of, report under Rule 9, 605
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Canada Food Board, ques. 2750 Canadian Wholesale Grocers' Association, 2015
Civil Service, Committee to inquire into efficiency of, 1554 Daylight Saving, 911 Divorce, 3781, 3790 Famine in India, 2616
Fish, Canadian, marketing overseas, ques. 2750
Immigration
Medical examination of passengers, 1974
Prohibiting certain classes, 1924 Mail contractors, 2088 Mennonites in Ontario, 1925 Orders in Council, number passed, ques.
[DOT]	2145
Parliament Buildings, 2337 Portland cement, duty on, ques. 1612 Proprietary medicines, 24t9-81, 2485, 3826, 3938
Opium and derivatives, 2489-92 Public Health Bill, 1189	.
Child welfare, 1375 Rural postmasters, 2089
Stefansson Expedition, 2849
Stevens, Mr. Henry Herbert (Vancouver Centre)
Air Board Bill, 2051 Board of Commerce, 4470 Budget, 3315. Foreign credits-tariff, 3316; war and protection, 3318; high cost of living, 3319; coal duties and freight rates, 3329
Canada Grain Act Amdt.-grain trade, operation of elevators, 3947-9, 4077-84, 4090
Chinese immigration, ques. 751 Civil Service, appointment of returned soldiers, 281 Combines, 4569 Copper refineries, 1106 Daylight Saving, 911
Elevators at Fort William and Port Arthur, ques. 60!4
Fitzpatrick, Sir Charles, payments to, 872 Foreign trade-credits and ships, 2167, 3835 Grain on Great Dakes, ques. 599 Immigration, restrictions, 769-773 Judges, County Court, 2954 Judges' salaries, British Columbia, 2305, 2310
Mounted Police, service in Northwest Rebellion, 2322
Panama Canal, trade via, 1283 Railway Act Consolidation; transmission lines on highways; consent of municipalities, 3083
Stevens, Mr. Henry Herbert-Con.
Telephone companies, 2646 Transatlantic flight of. Hawker, 2564 Vancouver harbour, 4021 Vancouver pension office, ques. 3377 Vocational training for under-age soldiers, 1011, 1020
Stewart, Mr. John A. (Lanark)
Insurance Act Amdt.

" actuary," 3987 Judges and income tax, 4230 Prohibition, 2351, 2356	[DOT]
Proprietary medicines, 2480-2, 2486 Coal tar derivatives and opium, 2490 Purchasing Commission, 4450
Stewart, Mr. Thomas Joseph (West Hamilton)
Canadian Niagara Bridge Company, 4345 Railway Act Consolidation
Commission's control of rates, 4142 Reconsideration of clause 325 objected to, 2929, 4140
Water-borne traffic, rates, 2943 Telephone companies, 2660
Stewart, Maj.-Gen. J. W., 2868
Stock Feed, purchase of, 2447
Stock Yards. See Live Stock Act Amdt. Bill
Strikes. See Industrial Unrest
Submarine, gift to Canada, 229, ques. 2868
Sugar, raw, freight rates on, 3471, 4683
Supply, Com. of, ordered, 592
Supply, 842	, 954,	1044,	1105,	1262,	1282,	1483,1588,	1886,	2016,	2067,	2202,	2251,	2291,2313,	.2359,	2440,	2493,	2761,	2780,	2808,2887, 4601,	2952, 4664	2959,	3175,	3827,	4033,	4475,
Supply Bills. See Appropriation Acts Supreme Court
Chief Justice, allowances to. See Fitzpatrick, Sir Charles Final appeal, 1059
Surveys, 4049-51, 4055 Geodetic, 4045 Military, 1899
Sutherland, Mr. Donald (South Oxford)
Air Board Bill, 2060 Board of Commerce, 4512 Civil Service Efficiency, 1561 Transfers, 1269 War bonus, 2929 Daylight Saving, 896 Good roads, 3904
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" Bayfield," steamer, ques. 608 Boots and shoes from United States, ques. 978
Canada Registration
Persons registered and cost, ques. 728 Use made of information, ques. 728 Canadian National Railway, ties, 3900 Commanders Thurston and Seddon, ques. 608
Grand Trunk Provident Fund, ques. 1213 Kingsmill, Admiral, visit to Victoria, ques. 1340
Kohn, Mr. Louis, Secretary, Economic Commission to Siberia, ques. 747 Land grants to railways, ques. 975 Members of Parliament, sessional indemnity, ques. 749
"Mildred McColl," H.M.C.S., ques. 747 Military Service Act
Defaulters, ques. 883	.
Exemptions, ques. 1108 Expenditure, ques. 645 Men of 19 years, registration of, ques. 615
Police employed, ques. 972, ques. 973 Regulations in force, ques. 646 Militia, permanent force, 3984 Montreal terminal and tunnel, ques. 1213 Naval air bases, ques. 1532 Naval Service, Canadian ratings in Grand Fleet, ques. 608 Ottawa
Central Station, ques. 1213 Federal Hotel, lease of, ques. 2045 Proprietary medicines war tax, ques. 1107 Seed grain, ques. 979, 1030 Soldiers' Land Settlement, ques. 610 "Stadacona," H.M.C.S., ques. 747 Tolmie, Mr. Simon Fraser (Victoria City)
Air Service
Air Board Bill, 2060 Aviation in Canada, ques. 1340 Mails by, 2036
Budget, 3569. Tariff and Japanese competition-development of natural resources, 3570; labour unrest, 3571; dairy products, beef and pork, 3572; British embargo on Canadian cattle, 3573
Cold storage, 2986
Good roads, 4429
Judges' salaries, 2958
Live stock, pure-bred sires, 2995
Tuberculosis in cattle, 2988
Wrecking plants, 2605
Toronto
Deputy Postmaster, 161, 276 Euclid Hall as hospital, ques. 749 Harbour improvements, 2363 Letter carriers, 1341
Toronto and Niagara Power Company. See
Railway Act Consolidation; Electric and Power Companies
Toronto Suburban Railway, ques. 1678 Tourist Traffic, 4046-53
Town Planning and garden villages, 761. See also Housing
Tractors, ques. 1536, ques. 2048 T rade
Commission and Commissioners, ques. 664, ques. 1905, 3831, 4493 Development of, $150,000 vote, 3840 Discrimination in Britain, alleged, 72, 115, 140, 229 Embargo, 567
Export, reference in Speech from the Throne, 2
Exports and Imports, report tabled, 550 Foreign, and credit, 3831-7 France, 1099 Italy, 3808 Japan, 4019
Roumania, 1110, 1615-8, ques. 3241 Sir Clifford Sifton and, 1908 United States, 58
Great Britain, trade with and credits to, 1353-61
Trade and Commerce Dept., 335, 460b Trahan, Mr. Arthur (Nicolet)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 293. Peace Conference, Canada's representation - Civil Service Commission, 293; reconstruction - resignation of Parliamentary Under Secretary-returned soldiers, 294; pensions-censorship, 295; industrial unrest-women's franchise and election- Government labour and social programme, 296; tariff, 297; national unity, 298
Budget, 3394. Finance and currency, 3394; remedies for existing difficulties, 3397; tariff, 3398; income tax, 3399; real wealth, 3401
Industrial Relations Commission, 4621 Public Health, 1186, 1376 Social welfare, child welfare, 1200-5 Technical education, 3792 Transatlantic Flight, ques. 2143, 2564 Trnsatlantic mail service, 1711, 1794
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* " Brant," steamer, 2607 " Canada," H.M.C.S., ques. 608, 746 " Canadian Volunteer," ques. 3998 " Canadian Voyageur," steamer, ques. 1212
" Canadian Warrior," ques. 3327, ques. 3470, ques. 4241
" Champlain," steamer, ques. 616, 2006 " Earl Grey," icebreaker, ques. 2145 " Helena," ques. 3998 "Hochelaga," steamer, ques. 606, ques. 609
" Lady Evelyn," steamer, ques. 3680 "Lottie Russell,' steamer, ques. 746 "Mildred McColl," H.M.C.S., ques. 747 "Montcalm," steamer, ques. 1978, 2607 " Montmagny," C.G.S., ques. 1613 "Princess," steamer, ques. 615, ques. 3680
Steamer to replace, 2797 "Prince George," steamer, ques. 746 " Stadacona," H.M.C.S., ques. 747, ques. 880
"Tyrian," steamer, 2793-4 "Tuna," steamer, ques. 746, ques. 1905 " T. J. Drummond," ques. 2397 " T-30," trawler, ques. 975, ques. 2397, 3472
" Willihad," steamer, ques. 617 Vickers, Limited, trawlers built by, 2214 Victoria, Astrophysical observatory, 4045 Victory Loan. See also Budget Cost of (1918), ques. 2798 Montreal brokers, ques. 1612 $50 bonds, ques. 2047
Vien, Mr. Thomas (LobtiniSre)
Board of Commerce, 4507, 4531-2, 4561-4 Canadian National Railway Capital stock, 1776, 1853 Construction of lines, extension of time for, 1765-9 Directors, 1783
Securities of other companies, 1781 .Circulation and reserve, ques. 614 Cost of Living Com., 4309 Dominion Parks, expropriations for, 2302 Enlistments and conscriptions, ques. 614 Federal district, 4385
Fitzpatrick, Sir Charles, payments to, 878 Force contracts, Government policy in, 1603-9
Gold shipments, ques. 614 Grand Trunk Pacific receivership, 693, 1112, 1261
Judges' salaries and duties, 2311 LOvis station, 2458
Vien, Mr. Thomas-Con.
Loans, taxed and tax-free, 2246-8 Mineral claims on Dominion lands, 2298-9, 2300-01
Railway crossings, 937-8 St. Charles River works, 1023 Schools and religious teaching, 2404 Shipbuilding, ques. 613
Soldiers' dependents, payments to, ques. 644
Telegraphs and telephones, 4609 War expenditure ($350,000,000), transportation, 2243
Vimy Ridge, 1058
Vocational Training. See also Technical Education
Governor General's Speech, 2 Soldiers, of. See Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment
Under-age soldiers, for, 1011 Votes and Proceedings. See House Voters' Lists, provincial, 2446 Wagons, sleighs, etc., duties, 3707 Wallace, Mr. Thomas George (West York)
Railway Act Consolidation, 2620, 2642 Telephone companies, 2642, 2650
War
Aerial craft and forces, 1263, 2866
Commanders Thurston and Seddon, ques. 608
Royal Air Force, ques. 646, ques. 1611 Argyll House. See, under this title, Overseas administration, Headquarters Staff in London Armistice, 1 Prolonged, 111, 550 Battles .
St. Julien, Cambrai, Mons, 205, 337, 464-7 Ypres, second battle, 545 Belgium, restoration of, cablegram, 1955 British Remount Commission, ques. 976 Canada's record, 201, 420, 499. See also, under this head, Overseas Administration
Canadian Army Dental Corps, 2871 Canadian Army Medical Corps, 2869-71 Canadian Cavlary Brigade, 2866 Canadian Expeditionary Force, 388, ques. 1307
Enlistments in, ques. 2904 Files, mislaid, ques. 1108 Religion and nationality, ques. 3998 Resolution of gratitude, 4696 Rifles and ammunition, 338, 1614 Routine orders tabled, 40
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Canadian Field Comforts Association, 2874 Canadian Military Y.M.C.A., 2874 Canadian Officers' Club, 2874 Canadian Railway Troops, 2868 Canadian Red Cross Society. See that title Canadian War Contingents Association, 2874
Casualties. See also under this head, Overseas Administration
Canadians as prisoners of war, ques. 1077
French Canadians, ques. 644 Chaplains, 2871
Correspondence, production not in public interest, 753
Currie, Lieut.-Gen. Sir Arthur. See that title
Decorations for Canadians, 3,27, 339, 2861 Demobilization, 118, 207, 322, 501, 1058, 4535 " Aquitania," SS., port of landing, 2292 Farmers' sons, 1958	.
Men in garrison, 2236 Ministerial statements, 1793, 2861, 2874 Plans. See below, Overseas Administration
Port of landing, 2402 Progress of, 971 Strikes delaying, 3741 Troops awaiting embarkation, entertainment and occupation for, 648 Deserters, ques. 879. See below, Military Service
Director of Military Estates, 2871 Enlistment
Chicoutimi and Saguenay, 408 Quebec, 443
Expenditures, ques. 2798. See also Budget; War Expenditures Bill Summary by Departments, 1345 Vouchers for overseas payments, 1710, 1789, 1865
Forestry Corps, 2869 German fleet, 266, 1289 Germany's surrender, 1 Hospitals
Charlottetown Convalescent Home, ques. 2296
Doullens, bombing of, 2870 Etaples, bombing of, 2870 Ste. Anne de Bellevue, ques. 1212 St. Dunstan's Hostel, 2874 Troyes, 2871
Imperial Munitions Board. See that title Indemnity
Cable from Prime Minister, 928 Canada's claim, 450, 773, 929	.
I.O.D.E. Clubs, 2874 Khaki University, 2873 " Llandovery Castle," sinking of, 2870
War-Con.
Maple Leaf Clubs, 2874
Medical Service, financial administration, 2885
Memorials
Building, ques. 1216 Scholarships, 340 Ypres memorial, 4465
Military Service. See also Military Service Act
Conscientious objectors, 372 Conscripted men in active service, ques. 610
Defaulters and slackers, 263, 418
Cost and control of registration, ques. 610
Enlistments and conscriptions, ques. 614 Hull, Pontiac and Wright, ques. 602, ques. 603
Totals May-Deeember, 1917, ques. 609 Registration and men of 19 years, ques. 615
Naval Service
Boys in, ques. 607 British Admiralty and, ques. 603 Bronze Star for, ques. 602 Canadians in British Grand Fleet, ques. 606, ques. 608
Coast protection, ques. 745, 1263 Courts-ihartial, ques. 607, ques. 1534 Increase of pay, ques. 607 Newfoundland ratings in, ques. 606 Prize money, ques. 607 Royal Naval Canadian Volunteer Reserve, ques. 603 Nursing Sisters, 2870 Overseas Administration
Canada's forces at the front, organization of, 204
Brigades and divisions, 2865 Canadian troops, control and administration, 2858
Outside Canadian corps in France, numbers, 2858
Canadian war records, 2043, 2872 Decorations won by Canadians, 2861 Canadians for Mesopotamia, Palestine, North Russia, 2860
Charges by Gen. Smart, Col. Piatt and Col. Price, 513, 522, 575, 1483 Base Commandant at Dunkirk, recoids of, ques. 1216 Cinematograph films, 2872 Demobilization, 2857, 2874 Documents, 2878 England, discharges in, 2861 Steamship accommodation, 2877 French Canadian Brigade, 150, 331 Headquarters Staff in London, 2S79 Names, 2880


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History of operations, forthcoming, 2S57 Mails for soldiers, 2864 Ministerial statement - Sir Edward Kemp, 2856-87
New organizations in active service, 2859 Overseas Military Council, 2860 Overseas' Purchasing Comm., 2871 Stores, horses, 'etc., disposition of, 2862 Trophies, 2043, 2864 Paintings, 2872
Paris Conference. See Peace; Reconstruction
Patriotic Fund. See Canadian Patriotic Pay Corps, 2871
Provinces, respective war records, 265 Records and documents, preservation of, 330. See also under this head, Overseas Administration
Regimental Funds Board, ques. 2904 Rifles, Canadian and Lee-Enfield, 1614 Roumanian border, proposed guard by Canadians, 1618 Royal Automobile Club, 2874 Royal Northwest Mounted Police Cavalry squadron to Siberia, 2316 Siberian Expedition. See that title Soldiers. See also that title
Canadian, and British public opinion, 468 Canadian Generals, portraits of, ques. 1905
Canadian, in Ireland, ques. 849 Canadian, in Imperial service, 1997 Canadian, in Russia, ques. 1216 Casualties, 2873 Censorship of letters, 1663 Complaints, alleged suppression of, 1618 Crucifixion of Canadian by, Germans 2872
Dependents, ques. 644
Widowed mother, ques. 1908 Equipment allowances for officers, ques. 1663
Furloughs in France, 271 German-Canadians, 376 Gratuity, war service, 343, ques. 1791, ques. 4241 Irregularities
Camp disturbances, 2876, 2886 Kinmel (see that title) 357, 424, 437 Trials and sentences overseas, 1029, 1163, 1434, 1435, 1959, 3469, 3470 Parade in London, 2874 Pay and Allowance Board, ques. 3998 Pensions. See that title Prisoners in Germany, 2873 Regulars vs. Irregulars, 200
War-Con.
Soldiers-Con.
Returned, 95, 105, 135, 159, 177, 183, 187, 222, 294, 328, 353, 410, 418, 445, 548 Civil Service and, 280, 291, 962 Positions for wounded: motion (Mr. McCurdy), 981; withdrawn, 1002; amdt. (Mr. Morphy), 998; withdrawn, 1002
Community life and, 768 Disability, industrial, Government insurance against, 994 Employment of, 218, 1607 Garden villages for, 761 Halifax, at, discharge or leave for, 1663, 1711
Land settlement, 502 "Northland" inquiry, report tabled, 111 Occupation for, 764 Officers, rank in militia after peace, 1890	-
Paralytic patients, ques. ,749 Parliament, in, 473
Portland, reported debarkation at, ques. 647
Repatriation, cost of Committee, ques. 613
Technical education, 756 Treatment of, Government policy respecting, 753
Usurious practices against, ques. 977 Vocational training, 502
Quebec, province, in, ques. 971 Under-age soldiers and, 1011 Service medal, ques. 883 Sickness and disability
Influenza patients, ques. 845 Patients in England, ques. 615 Total (Usability, ques. 1213 The honoured dead Bodies, ques. 1107 Graves, 332, 2861 Votes, 3135
War record of Canadian soldiers, 308. See also, tinder this head, Overseas Administration Trophies, 1349, 2864 Universities, work of, 2870 United States, part in, 14, 117 Units
Princess Patricia's C. L. Infantry, 550, ques. 616
22nd Battalion, demobilization of, 1616 War Service button, 343 Women's work, 388, 470 War Credits in Europe, 1352. See also Trade
War Expenditures Bill ($350,000,000). Res., 1343; lr„ 1366; 2r., com., 2166; 3r., 2343
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In reply-Con.
loans-prices, 3615; income tax, 3616; land tax-credits for foreign trade, 3617; cost of living, 3619; prospects, 3620; fiscal policy, 3621; Mr. McMas-ter*s proposed amdt., 3622; increased public expenditure - national unity, 3624
Business profits war tax, 3709

10 Cabinet Ministers, House of Commons and Senate and, 1005 Canadian National Railway Annual meeting, 1646
Construction of lines, extension of time for, 1734
Directors, appointment of, 1634 Term of office of, 1646 Expenses to be paid out of revenue, 1699, 1704, 2103 Head office, 1651-2
Labour representation in directorate, 1643
Orders in Council, 1692-3 President's salary, 1657 Public ownership, 1734 Canadian Press news service, 4482, 4486 Censorship, 1110
Chartered Banks' excess circulation, 633-7, 1103
Currency Act-bronze coins, 637 Customs war tax, 3708
Daylight Saving, 647, 886, 923, 970, 1208, 1434
Ottawa time and Parliamentary time, 1342
Railway time, 1434
Dominion Iron & Steel and Nova Scotia Steel & Coal, 2342 Doukhobor lands, 2044 Economy in expenditure, 4246 Edmonton, Dunvegan and British Columbia Railway, 1208
Farmers' sons overseas-labour shortage, 141
Finance Dept., salaries, 4475-7 Fishing-twine and cordage used in, 3708 Fitzpatrick, Sir Charles, payments to, 856, 971	*
Flint, Dr. Thomas B., death of, 1341 Foreign exchange, 2239
Foreign trade, credits, etc., 1351, 1360, 2190 Belgium, 1360 Roumania, 1615, 1618, 3241 Fraternal Societies-Insurance Act Amdt., 1567
Galvanized iron, 3681, 3689-90 Gold
Prohibition of export of, 1102 Reserves, 636
White, Hon. Sir Thomas-Con.
Good roads, 4412
Government measures, time of presentation, 1616
Grand Trunk Pacific receivership, 316, 1127-37, 1159
Exchequer Court and, 664 Government's position under, 694 Resolution for, 649, 653 Grand Trunk Railway Finance, 4245
Proposed taking over of, 657
Government offer, company's counter offer, 659, 694
Grand Trunk Railway Company Bill, 118485, 1210
Greece, supply of wheat, 2907 High Commissioner, reported resignation, 647
Horse racing, 1710 House of Commons
Ash Wednesday adjournment, 185 Committees, standing, 2 Easter adjournment, 886 Legislation to be brought down, 2399 Privilege-address from Senate instead of request by Message, 642 Questions and returns, 648, 886 Saturday and morning sittings, 3376 Vacancies, 1615 Wednesday sittings, 929, 1109 Income war tax, 3710-38 Assessment, date of, 3737 Children, allowance for, 3725 Depreciation, renewals, etc., 3720-1 Timber limits, etc., 3721-2 Judges; 3715, 3719 Life insurance, 3718 Living expenses, no allowance for, 3725 Losses, 3991-2
Members of Parliament, sessional expenses, 3992
Number of taxpayers, 3726 Personal and living expenses, 2980, 3990 Publicity of assessment, 3717-9 Returns-penalties, 3736-7 Shareholders of tax-paying corporations, 3725
Shareholders' profits through " rights," 3727-9
Undistributed profits, 3727 Industrial Relations Commission, 1432 International Waterways Commission, 462 Kinmel Camp riots, 357, 424 Statement and cables, 512 Laurier, Sir Wilfrid, death of, 2, 4, 5 Loans
Authorized and to be made, 2245-50 Borrowing powers and loans made, 2343-4
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Loans-Con.
Printing of bonds in both languages, 4475 Taxed or tax-free, 2246-7 $75,000,000, New York, 4198 . $100,000,000, domestic, 2245-6, 4242-6 Military management, charges of Gen.
Smart, et al, 513, 647, 1101, 1502 Military Service, Guelph Novitiate, 1257 Ministerial changes, 129 National Transcontinental Railway, summary, 665
Newsprint control, 2240, 4536, 4540-8, 4662-3 Nickel, 3685-9 Oleomargarine, 3708
Ottawa, the Dominion Capital, planning of, 4249-50
Ottawa Improvement Comm., 4246-51, 4385-6
Packing companies, taxation of, 4478 Patriotic Fund, 1164 Peace Conference, 1382, 2200 Cable from Prime Minister, 9,29 Ploughs, duties on, 3691-3705. See under this head, Agricultural Printing Bureau strike, 424 Prohibition, 2654 Res., 2346-58
Public ownership of railways, 1734 Read, Mr. Joseph, M.P., death of, 1209 Reciprocity, in effect a binding agreement, 3670
Returning soldiers, entertainment and occupation for, 648
St. Charles River works, Belanger vs. The King, 1025
Sharpe, Lt.-Col. Sam, D.S.O., death of, 3 Soldiers' complaints, alleged suppression, 1618
Soldiers sentenced to penal servitude in England, 1163
Supply, interim vote 1919-20, 842 Tariff. See also under this title, Budget; Address
Mr. McMaster's proposed amdt., 808 Taylor, Hon. Senator George, death of, 885 Titles, 1458, 1479, 2729 Amdt. to motion for abolition of-appointment of Com. to consider, 1464, 1479
Trade discrimination against Canada, 72, 115, 140, 230, 314
Transatlantic flight of Hawker, 2565 Wagons, sleighs, etc., duties on, 3707 War correspondence not produced, 753
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War expenditure '
Vote of $350,000,000, 2166, 2190, 2239-50, 2343-4
" Any measures deemed necessary or advisable," 2241-5 Ministerial explanation, 1343 Vouchers for overseas payments, 1711, 1789, 1865
War indemnity, 775, 929 Wheat, market for, 1712 Winnipeg strike, 2616, 2753 Witley Camp,, 462-3
White, Mr. William Henry (Victoria, Alta.) Budget, 3573. Hon. Mr. Sifton and Hon. Mr. Calder, 3574; aliens, 3575; tariff, 3576; Hon. Mr. Crerar, 3577 Franchise, 4626
Naturalization, 4129, 4264-6, 4272 Royal Northwest Mounted Police, 2318, 2330
Seed grain, 1041
Tariff, Mr. McMaster's proposed amdt., 816 Wholesale Grocers. See Private Bills
Wigmore, Mr. Rupert Wilson (St. John City and Counties of St. John and Albert) Coal ships, Sydney-St. Lawrence, ques. 3471
Grand Manan steamship service, 1301 Public Health, 1194, 1196 Returned soldiers, Civil Service positions for, 998
St. John Harbour, 4301
Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment, 2769
Wilson, Mr. Gordon Crooks (Wentworth) Railway Act Consolidation, Senate amdts., telephones, 4156
Wilson, Mr. James Robert (Saskatoon)
Budget, 3'537. Land settlers needed, 3538; oil-tariff, 3539; land tax, 3541; wheat prices, 3542
Canadian National Railway, 1418 Highways, 739 Housing scheme, 2538, 2552 Pensions, 4297
Saskatoon letter carriers' strike, 2084 Shipbuilding, 2261 Wheat crop, shipping of, 2261 Wheat, experiments of Mr. Seager Wheeler, 2970
Wilson, President, banquet to by His Majesty, 103, 148
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Woman masquerading as man, 2440
Woman Suffrage, 226, 296, 300, 405. See Dominion Elections Aot Arndt.
Women in the public service, 341
Wool. See Live Stock Act Arndt.
Woollen Trade
British orders in Canada, 1363 Exports, ques. 845
Worsdale, Cpl. R. W., ques. 3067
Wrecking Plants, subsidies to, 2603-6
Wright, Mr. H. O. (Battleford)
Budget, 2587. Record of the Government, 3587; farmers and wheat prices, 3588; tariff and free trade, 3589 Yapp, Mr., agent for woollen sales, 1363 Yarmouth Bar, 2783 Year Book, 3839
Young men and politics, 376, 383 Yukon, Government of, 4045
Yukon Aot Arndt, lr., 5; 2r., com., 592; 3r., 625
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