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several years ago here at ted peter skillman introduced a design challenge called the marshmallow challenge and the idea 's pretty simple teams of four have to build the tallest free standing structure out of twenty sticks of spaghetti one yard of tape one yard of string and a marshmallow the marshmallow has to be on top and though it seems really simple it 's actually pretty hard because it forces people to collaborate very quickly
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and so i thought that this was an interesting idea and i incorporated it into a design workshop and it was a huge success and since then i 've
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conducted about seventy design workshops across the world with students and designers and architects even the ctos of the fortune fifty and there 's something about this exercise that reveals very deep lessons about the nature of collaboration and i 'd like to share some of them with you so
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normally most people begin by orienting themselves to the task they talk about it they figure out what it 's going to look like they jockey for power then they spend some time planning organizing they sketch in they lay out spaghetti they spend the majority of their time assembling the sticks into ever growing structures and then
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finally just as they 're running out of time someone takes out the marshmallow and then they gingerly put it on top and they stand back
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and ta da
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they admire their work but what really happens most of the time is that the ta da turns into an uh oh because the weight of the marshmallow causes the entire structure to buckle and to collapse so
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there are a number of people who have a lot more uh oh moments than others and among the worst are recent graduates of business school
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they lie they cheat they get distracted and they produce really lame structures and of course there are teams that have a lot more ta da structures and among the best are recent graduates of kindergarten
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and
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it 's pretty amazing as peter tells us not only do do they produce the tallest structures but they 're the most interesting structures of them all so the question you want to ask is how come
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why what is it about them and peter likes to say that none of this none of the kids spend any time trying to be ceo of spaghetti inc
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right they don 't time spend time jockeying for power but there 's another reason as well and the reason is that business students are trained to find the single right plan
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right and then they execute on it and then what happens is when they put the marshmallow on the top they run out of time and what happens it 's a crisis
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sound familiar right ok what kindergarteners do differently is that they start with the marshmallow and they build prototypes successive prototypes
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always keeping the marshmallow on top so they have multiple times to to fix ill built prototypes along the way so designers recognize this type of collaboration
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as the essence of the iterative process and with each version kids get instant feedback about what works and what doesn 't work
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so the capacity to play in prototype is is really essential but let 's look at how different teams perform
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so the average for most people is around twenty inches business schools students about half of that lawyers a little better but not much better than that kindergarteners better than most adults who does the very best
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architects and engineers thankfully and
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thirty nine inches is the tallest structure i i 've seen and why is it because they understand triangles and self re enforcing geometrical patterns are the key to building self reinforce stable structures
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so ceos a little bit better than average but here 's where it gets interesting if you put in an executive admin on the team they get significantly better
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terrible you know
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you look around you go oh that team 's going to win you can just tell beforehand and why is that because they have specials skills of facilitation they manage the process they understand the process and any team who manages and pays a close attention to to work
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will significantly improve the team 's performance specialized skills and facilitation skills are the combination leads to to strong success
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if you have ten teams that typically perform you 'll get maybe six or so that have standing structures and i i tried something interesting i thought let 's
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up the ante once so i offered a ten thousand dollar prize of software to the winning team so what do you think happened to these design students what was the result
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here 's what happened
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not one team had a standing structure not one had a a if anyone had built say a one inch structure they could have taken home the prize so isn 't it interesting that high stakes have a strong impact we did the exercise again with the same students what do you think happened then so now they understand the value of prototyping
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so the same team went from being the very worst to being among the very best they produced the tallest structures in the least amount of time so there 's deep lessons for us about the nature of incentives and success
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so you might ask why would anyone actually spend time writing a marshmallow challenge and the reason is i help create digital tools and processes to help teams build cars and video games and visual effects
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and what the marshmallow challenge does is it helps them identify the hidden assumptions because frankly
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every project has its own marshmallow doesn 't it the challenge provides a shared experience a common language a common stance to build the right prototype and so this is the value of the experience of this so simple exercise and those of you who are interested may want to go to marshmallowchallenge dot com it 's a blog that you can look at how to build the marshmallows there 's step by step instructions on this there are
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crazy examples from around the world of how people tweak and adjust the system there 's world records on this as well
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and the fundamental lesson i believe is that design truly is a contact sport it demands that we bring all of our senses to the task and that we apply the very best of our thinking our feeling and our doing to the challenge that we have at hand and sometimes a little prototype of this experience is all that it takes to turn us from an uh oh moment to a ta da moment and that can make a big difference thank you very much
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so i 've known a lot of fish in my life
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i 've loved only two
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that first one was a
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it was more like a passionate affair
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it was a beautiful fish
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flavorful textured
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meaty a best seller on the menu what a fish
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even better it was farm raised to the supposed highest standards of sustainability
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so you could feel good about selling it
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i was in a relationship with this beauty for several months
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one day the head of the company called and asked if i 'd speak at an event
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about the farm 's sustainability absolutely i said
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here was a company trying to solve
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what 's become this unimaginable problem for our chefs
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how do we keep fish on our menus
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for the past fifty years we 've been fishing the seas
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like we clear cut forests
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it 's hard to overstate the destruction
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ninety percent of large fish the ones we love the tunas the halibuts the salmons swordfish they 've collapsed there was nothing left
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so for better or for worse aquaculture fish farming is going to be a part of our future
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a lot of arguments against it
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fish farms pollute
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most of them do anyway and they 're inefficient take tuna a major drawback
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it 's got a feed conversion ratio of fifteen to one that means it takes fifteen pounds of wild fish to get you one pound of farm tuna
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not very sustainable doesn 't taste very good either
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so here finally
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was a company trying to do it right i wanted to support them
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the day before the event i called the head of pr for the company
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let 's call him don
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don i said just to get the facts straight you guys are famous for for farming so far out to sea you you don 't pollute that 's right he said we 're so far out
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the waste from our fish gets distributed
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not concentrated and then he added
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we 're basically a world unto ourselves
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that feed conversion ratio two point five to one he said best in the business
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two point five to one great two point five to one what what are you feeding sustainable proteins he said
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great i said got off the phone
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and that night i was lying in bed and i thought
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what the hell is a sustainable protein
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so the next day just before the event i called don i said don what are some examples of sustainable proteins he said he didn 't know
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he would ask around well i got on the phone with a few people in the company no one could give me a straight answer
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until finally i got on the phone with the head biologist
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let 's call him don too
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don i said what are some examples of sustainable proteins
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well he mentioned some algaes
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and some fish meals and then he said chicken pellets
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i said chicken pellets he said yeah feathers skin
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bone meal scraps dried and processed into feed
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i said what percentage
DanBarber
male
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010.wav
DanBarber-237.19-240.36-<o,f0,male>
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010/76.wav
of your feed is chicken
DanBarber
male
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010.wav
DanBarber-240.36-242.64-<o,f0,male>
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010/78.wav
thinking you know two percent
DanBarber
male
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010.wav
DanBarber-243.58-245.21-<o,f0,male>
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010/80.wav
well it 's about thirty percent he said
DanBarber
male
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010.wav
DanBarber-245.79-247.63-<o,f0,male>
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010/82.wav
i said don
DanBarber
male
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010.wav
DanBarber-248.7-249.77-<o,f0,male>
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010/83.wav
what 's sustainable about feeding chicken to fish
DanBarber
male
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010.wav
DanBarber-249.77-253.508-<o,f0,male>
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010/85.wav
there there was a long pause on the line
DanBarber
male
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010.wav
DanBarber-258.186-260.33-<o,f0,male>
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010/87.wav
and he said there 's just too much chicken in the world
DanBarber
male
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010.wav
DanBarber-262.576-264.9-<o,f0,male>
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010/89.wav
i fell out of love with this fish
DanBarber
male
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010.wav
DanBarber-270.96-272.75-<o,f0,male>
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010/91.wav
no not because i 'm some self righteous goody two shoes foodie
DanBarber
male
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010.wav
DanBarber-274.62-279.312-<o,f0,male>
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010/93.wav
i actually am
DanBarber
male
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010.wav
DanBarber-280.64-281.41-<o,f0,male>
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010/95.wav
no i fell out of love with this fish because i swear to god after that conversation the fish tasted like chicken
DanBarber
male
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010.wav
DanBarber-283.034-288.226-<o,f0,male>
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010/97.wav
this second fish
DanBarber
male
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010.wav
DanBarber-298.53-300.19-<o,f0,male>
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010/99.wav
it 's a different kind of love story
DanBarber
male
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010.wav
DanBarber-301.57-303.34-<o,f0,male>
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010/101.wav
it 's the romantic kind
DanBarber
male
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010.wav
DanBarber-304.23-305.78-<o,f0,male>
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010/103.wav
the kind where the more you get to know your fish you love the fish
DanBarber
male
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010.wav
DanBarber-308.31-311.562-<o,f0,male>
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010/105.wav
i first ate it at a restaurant in southern spain
DanBarber
male
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010.wav
DanBarber-313.834-316.63-<o,f0,male>
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010/107.wav
a journalist friend had been talking about this fish for a long time
DanBarber
male
TEDLIUM_release1/test/DanBarber_2010.wav
DanBarber-317.174-320.26-<o,f0,male>